Wildflowers at Lake Mohave. Springtime March 2017. Copyright Ralph Maughan

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Here is the link to the “old” wildlife news of Jan. 15, 2017.

About The Author

Ralph Maughan

Dr. Ralph Maughan is professor emeritus of political science at Idaho State University with specialties in natural resource politics, public opinion, interest groups, political parties, voting and elections. Aside from academic publications, he is author or co-author of three hiking/backpacking guides, and he is past President of the Western Watersheds Project and the creator of The Wildlife News.

663 Responses to Do you have some interesting wildlife news? March 22, 2017 edition

  1. avatar Salle says:

    Just for kicks…

    I was listening to a radio short piece… “The 90-Second Naturalist”

    Today the host talked about Dr. David Suzuki, who turns 81 tomorrow, and his commentary on scientific research.

    I quickly realized that 90 seconds is hardly enough time to even scratch the surface on the good doctor. This man inspired me decades ago and was one of the few figures who started me on my path as an adult to be mindful of my environment and how I could exist with the minimum negative impact to it if I chose to do so. As time progressed I came to understand that I wouldn’t be so informed without the contributions of scientific research. His stepping up and becoming a public voice for the biosphere reached millions and impacted their thinking over many decades now and I just want to celebrate his legacy.

    He still works to offer us so much…

  2. avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

    Film crew captures first-ever footage of wild Iberian wolves hunting

    Scene just one of many stunning sequences in new Spanish nature documentary ‘Cantábrico’

    But the wolf hunt is not the only surprise in Cantábrico, which was shot in the regions of Castilla y León, Cantabria and Asturias.

    Using ultra high-definition cameras, drones, and equipment capable of capturing up to 1,500 frames a second, the crew managed to film two brown bears copulating and the birth of a venomous Vipera seoanei viper. Other sequences recorded for posterity include those of carnivorous plants devouring wasps and ants deploying chemical warfare against the largest woodpecker in Europe.

    For one of the most stunning sections of the documentary, the crew used a specially fitted-out helicopter to film a group of Ibex traversing snowy peaks.

    But the film’s seasoned director warns that some of the footage in the documentary is “unrepeatable” in the forests of the Cantabrian Mountains – such as the presence of five Cantabrian capercaillies in the same shot. Loss of habitat means there are only 200 to 300 males left in the entire range.

  3. avatar WM says:

    WA wolf numbers increase by 28 percent, officially (likely higher):


    • avatar Nancy says:

      Yet depredation, by the “ever increasing populations of wolves” is minute, given their numbers in and around, ranching communities.

      “No conflicts with livestock were documented for 16 out of the 20 wolf packs identified in the report. Four packs – and one lone wolf – were each involved in at least one event leading to the death of a cow or calf in 2016”

      In Montana, 2016 – 39 or so confirmed kills by wolves, out of a population of what, 2 million head of cattle, being raised in the state?


      Took at trip to the local trash dumpster this morning and stopped to check out watercress, growing on a rancher’s ditch (going off from the creek) and smack dap in the middle of a raised piece of silt/mud, in that ditch, was a wolf paw print.

      No mistaking it, because of the size 🙂

      And I could almost picture that wolf, launching off from one side of that ditch, hitting the middle, with one foot and landing on the other side 🙂

      FYI – no chatter, from what I’ve gathered, among local ranchers re: wolves “savaging” their cattle, even though wolves have been sighted on and off in the area, since last fall.

      Much Ado About Nothing

  4. avatar Ida Lupine says:

    A cute story I saw on the news this morning about a bear waking up from hibernation. Then I found out it concerns an impact study for a proposed utility-scale wind farm in the Green Mountain National Forest! (approved by the Forest Service, of course). A national forest!!!! It doesn’t sound like a good location? People must have such a genetic predisposition to cut down trees and tear up virgin landscapes. Trammel the untrammeled. “Renewable Energy, Goooood” as they blunder on through. There must be somewhere else to put a wind farm:



    “Local environmentalists say they are concerned about the project’s possible impacts on wildlife habitat in the Green Mountain National Forest, which stretches for more than 400,000 acres along the southwestern spine of Vermont, rolling past hills of upland brush and dense stands of sugar and red maples, American beech and yellow birch.”


    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      “The installation would require clear-cutting American beech trees, an important source of food for black bears. The bears feed on the beechnuts, and the western edge of the proposed project site is “dominated by American beech” and “includes areas of concentrated mature beech trees that show evidence of foraging by black bears,” according to the final EIS.

      A total of 73 acres of forestland and 14 acres of private land would need to be cleared and graded for the project, including the temporary clearing of nearly 2 acres at each turbine site to assemble and install the turbines, according to the final EIS.”

  5. avatar Immer Treue says:

    Carcass-stealing by grizzlies does not mean wolves kill more often.


  6. avatar Kathleen says:

    Arkansas’ governor just signed an extremely egre:gious ag-gag law: “Arkansas lawmakers take ‘civil’ approach with new ag-gag law”

    Excerpt: “Arkansas has taken a different approach with its new cause of civil action. It applies to the “unauthorized use” of commercial property, meaning businesses, agricultural or timber production operations including buildings and outdoor areas not open to public and even residential properties used for business purposes.

    Anyone who knowingly gains access to a nonpublic area of such property and engages in an act that “exceeds the person’s authority to enter the nonpublic area is liable to the owner or operator for damages sustained by the owner or operator.”


    It will impact many whistle-blowers:

    “The state enacted a bill that will jeopardize citizens’ ability to report abuse across industries including nursing homes, hospitals, schools, and factory farms.”


  7. avatar Ida Lupine says:

    Some more background. This is part of a 7-year study funded by the wind corporation, a European firm, Iberdrola, as a condition for getting a permit. It’s right in the middle of prime bear habitat. This is why these types of projects should not be left in the hands of industry to do with as they will. These poor bears would not have to undergo this invasive disturbance otherwise. I think (small) wind installations can be ok in the right locations, but this seems like a terrible location. Not to mention service roads going in, *shudder*:


  8. avatar Kathleen says:

    From the House Committee on Natural Resources:

    “Next week, the Subcommittee on Oversight & Investigations will examine the Endangered Species Act and its impact on infrastructure development. The law’s cumbersome consultation requirements have zapped taxpayer resources and imposed interminable delays for infrastructure projects across the country. Here’s a preview ahead of next week’s hearing”: http://www.myajc.com/news/transportation/endangered-bat-delay-dot-projects/0AIaIXht7hMfjY0a9ORl8J/?icmp=ajc_internallink_textlink_apr2013_ajcstubtomyajc_launch

    (Don’t miss the newscaster’s biased comment at the end.)

    Tuesday, March 28, 2017 10:00 AM
    Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations
    1324 Longworth House Office Building Washington D.C. 20515

    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      Wow. But I will say that it is interesting that for solar and wind, this will have some impact also. For something that is supposed to help, they’re going to very extremely destructive to wildlife and habitat. This is something that was started during the previous administration too. Take permits up to 30 years for wind farms, without any accountability.

      It would be one thing if we converted to solar and wind for the majority of our energy needs – but as it is, with drilling for oil, natural gas, fracking, tar sands, nuclear, it is just more destruction taken in total. 🙁

  9. avatar Ida Lupine says:

    “The agency concluded that the population of roughly 40,000 golden eagles in the United States could withstand the loss of about 2,000 birds annually. Bald eagles, estimated at more than 140,000, could sustain as many as 4,200 fatalities a year without endangering the species, it found.”

    I just have to shake my head. Don’t you just love how easily wildlife deaths are dismissed, and with such certainty that nothing else would contribute, such as disease outbreaks. So the process of breaking down the ESA, like other laws put in place to protect the environment and wildlife, has been ongoing.

    • avatar Chris Harbin says:

      Does it have figures for the numbers of Congress people we can lose before endangering their species? Sorry have been sarcastic lately.

  10. avatar Professor Sweat says:

    Had a feeling the Shasta wolves would start turning up again:


  11. avatar Ida Lupine says:

    This was the cover of my Sunday paper magazine today. At first I thought it was wolves, until I read that it was about sled dogs. I couldn’t help but think that there’s no doubt as to who their ancestral daddy and momma is:


  12. avatar Nancy says:

    WTF? This article makes no sense but I’m sure it makes the livestock industry feel better about decades of trashing sage grouse habitat.


  13. avatar Immer Treue says:

    Increasing number of Manitoba cattle fall prey to wolves


    I don’t believe anybody in their right mind, at this stage of the game, would argue that a rancher should be able to protect what is theirs. What I find ironic is that this particular cattle-person estimates a dozen losses, whereas in the main body of this story another heading reads:

    Manitoba rancher says 150 cows stolen from his ranch this year.


    Is cattle theft/rustling more of a problem that wolves?

    • avatar Nancy says:

      Begs the question, are wolves really “leaving no trace?”

      “You can see them in the afternoon and go back in the evening and that calf has just disappeared,” Green said”

      I respectively disagree with that statement because of the years I spent brushing ranch land, on a ranch in the Big Hole. Bones all over the property, from cows, calves etc. who died over the winter months and their deaths had nothing to do with predators.

      So lets break it down:

      “For cattle producers, their animals are everything — their livelihood, their time and, in many cases, decades of hard work”

      No doubt about that, raising cattle is a full time business/a product. Key word here – A business.

      But how many ranchers really want to do the dirty work of actually protecting that “product” 24/7 in this day and age where people are starting to care and connect with what’s left of wild areas, they’ve used and too often in the past, abused?

      Not many, IMHO, given how many of their product, died from other causes and became food for a whole host of scavengers.

      • avatar Nancy says:

        And I don’t know why it would be a stretch to realize (because of the price & demand for beef these days) some aren’t taking full advantage of the fact that cattle too often roam loose, all over the west, on public lands.

      • avatar Immer Treue says:

        Up here, it’s like a scene from the LaBrea Tar Pits when something dies. The birds, ravens year round, eagles and magpies most of the year, vultures during the warmer months, lead one to the dead animal remains.

        • avatar Nancy says:

          Hard to ignore the evidence when a ranching “product” dies and it has nothing do to with predation but everything to do with predators, taking advantage of the sudden banquet.

  14. avatar Kathleen says:

    “I am an Arctic researcher. Donald Trump is deleting my citations”

    Excerpt: “At first, the distress flare of lost data came as a surge of defunct links on 21 January. The US National Strategy for the Arctic, the Implementation Plan for the Strategy, and the report on our progress all gone within a matter of minutes. As I watched more and more links turned red, I frantically combed the internet for archived versions of our country’s most important polar policies.”


  15. avatar Louise Kane says:


    what could go wrong here, a bunch of Ted Nuggets in the skies with rifles. Gross, gross, ugly, misdirected, deplorable people think up these laws. Clinton never should have been squeamish about deplorable she should have pointed out the many instances that backed up that assertion.

  16. avatar Louise Kane says:

    Wood’s Hole Research Center statement on Trump’s latest EO disaster.

  17. avatar Immer Treue says:

    And now for some levity
    The Sandhills should be coming through this area fairly soon.


    One of those George Carlin moments. Where have I heard this before?


    • avatar Nancy says:

      🙂 🙂

      The Sandhills are already back on the meadow across from me, Immer….. at least 3 weeks early.

      They timed it well though, most of the snow has gone off their feeding/nesting areas but, snow is predicated for the area tonight so it won’t be pleasant for them. Temps lower than normal for the next week (a low of 10 next Tuesday??, yuck!!)

      I’m SO looking forward to spring!!!!

      • avatar Immer Treue says:

        The weather up here has been really nice, above seasonal averages with plenty of sunshine. Problem is my trail network has been turned into an ice corridor due to the three thaws we have had, interspersed with more snow, and the daily/nightly thaw freeze cycle. Each morning requires stabilicers, folks by slushy slip slides until freeze again at night. Warm and dry sounds nice, but then its ticks, blackflies and mosquitos.

  18. avatar Ida Lupine says:

    What a kind-hearted man. I’m glad he didn’t get in trouble for having a big heart and doing a kindness. I know that people shouldn’t interfere, but still, it’s sweet:


  19. avatar Nancy says:

    My sympathies tonight for the eagle nest in Illinois. (Live webcam, may need to enlarge to full screen)

    Speculation that Mom may have been killed by intruder eagles and the 2 Dads are trying to feed & protect the 2 eaglets.

    One Dad on the nest now trying to shelter not only two growing eaglets but also an egg that failed to hatch. He’s having a rough go, in high winds. Mom was bigger and better able to cover the eaglets.

    My hope is these 2 fathers can successfully raise these eaglets.


    • avatar Kathleen says:

      “By harvesting an old boar grizzly like this you actually most definitely increase the survival rate of the grizzly bear population.”
      My god, how did bears ever survive before human beings came along to save them by killing them??? How can anyone even say that with a straight face considering that bears once covered the entire Western half of the US pre-European settlement? http://westernwildlife.org/grizzly-bear-outreach-project/history/
      If it’s “necessary” to kill boars now it’s because we’ve so decimated their habitat and their populations–and people who make that claim should own up to that.

    • avatar Kathleen says:

      That’s great news: “This is huge, not only for the prairie dog but for the Endangered Species Act,” and

      “Wednesday’s ruling affirmed the existing standard of allowing the federal government to limit local development using the Endangered Species Act, the 1973 law intended to protect species at risk of extinction.

      “In the majority opinion, Judge Jerome Holmes wrote that overturning the earlier ruling was in line with actions by previous circuit courts, which have ruled uniformly to protect the Endangered Species Act in similar cases.”‘

      Republicans ain’t gonna like this.

  20. avatar Moose says:

    Update on Michigan (UP) predator-prey study;


    Interesting tidbit:
    In the low-snowfall zone, coyotes were discovered to cause the most mortality of adult does, but in the mid-snowfall zone, wolves were the most important mortality source.

    “In the zone with less snowfall, coyotes simply outnumbered wolves, he said, but quite a number of livestock carcass dumps on the landscape also were found. Collared wolves foraged heavily on those carcasses, which reduced the predation on does.”

    • avatar Nancy says:

      Yet, in my neck of the woods, Moose (Montana) I had a long time rancher tell me, not long ago “that wolves don’t forage dead carcasses. They like fresh meat” That’s the belief.

      BS 🙂

      Fact is, I raked over the bones of quite a few winter dead cow & calf carcasses, on their big ranch every spring, while brushing pastures for them.

      These were not predator killed cattle. These cattle died for a whole host of other reasons – disease, weather etc. and their dead bodies, attracted a whole host of scavengers, looking for a meal, protein, etc. including wolves.

      • avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

        wolves don’t forage dead carcasses. They like fresh meat

        that BS is borrowed from the hunter lore about the Eurasian lynx who likes to lick roe deer’s fresh blood, then moves on to the next victim like a true zombie

  21. avatar Nancy says:

    Another sad example of that “tiny town” mentality, propped up by the cattle industry, when it comes to the slaughter wildlife:

    “The tradition began in the late 1950s, when ranchers, worried about rattlesnakes biting their livestock, workers and families, held an informal roundup”


  22. avatar alf says:

    Posted March 24, 2017 – 5:31pmUpdated March 25, 2017 – 8:55am
    Wildlife officials verify first wolf sighting in Nevada in 95 years

    imgThe Shasta pack on August 9, 2015. (California Dept. of Fish and Wildlife via AP)


    Photos show first wild California wolf pack in nearly a century

    By Henry Brean
    Las Vegas Review-Journal
    State wildlife officials have confirmed the presence of a wolf in Nevada for the first time since 1922.

    The Nevada Department of Wildlife announced Friday that a wolf from the Shasta Pack in Northern California crossed into the Silver State in early November, but there is no evidence that the animal was here to stay.


    The wolf was caught on video near Fox Mountain, about 150 miles north of Reno, prompting an investigation by state wildlife officials.

    Animal droppings found during the search were sent for testing to the University of Idaho’s Laboratory for Ecological, Evolutionary and Conservation Genetics, which recently confirmed the presence of a young male wolf from the Shasta Pack.

    Officials said the wolf was likely in search of a mate, but the animal hasn’t been spotted in Nevada since the initial sighting.

    “This observation is of a lone animal and is not confirmation of wolves with established territories in Nevada,” said state game chief Brian Wakeling in a written statement.

    The Shasta Pack has seven known members, two adults and five offspring. None of the wolves in the pack have radio collars and their current whereabouts are unknown, but there is no reason to believe they have settled in Nevada, officials said.

    “Clearly, this confirmed sighting has heightened the department’s awareness,” state wildlife director Tony Wasley said. “We will be closely monitoring the situation.”

    Contact Henry Brean at hbrean@reviewjournal.com or 702-383-0350. Follow @RefriedBrean on Twitter.

  23. avatar Kathleen says:

    “Op-Ed: 5 Lies Being Used to Get Mountain Bikes in Wilderness”
    “A new bill would open up wilderness areas to bikes—but the arguments in favor of it don’t hold water”

    Excerpt: “…wheelchairs have been allowed in wilderness since soon after the 1990 Americans with Disabilities Act. The authors of this bill know this. Yet they added “wheelchairs” to hide their motives behind seeming to help the handicapped. Greasy? You could oil your chain.”

    Excellent piece in Outside Mag.: https://www.outsideonline.com/2165406/five-lies-being-used-get-mountain-bikes-wilderness

    Also “In praise of wildfire”: https://www.outsideonline.com/2161686/praise-fire?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=facebookpost

  24. avatar Kathleen says:

    “First: Badger Buries Entire Cow in Shocking New Video”
    “I was blown away,” scientist says about discovery in Utah desert.

  25. avatar Rich says:


    Inhofe said some of the members of the scientific advisory boards scheduled for cuts had political biases. “They’re going to have to start dealing with science, not rigged science.”

  26. avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

    The Jane Goodall of Wolves

    Nearly four decades after Diane Boyd started monitoring the first radio-collared wolf to recolonize the Western U.S. from Canada, she has come full circle with her new job as wolf management specialist for Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks.

  27. avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

    How many elk do Yellowstone wolves eat?

    Yellowstone wolves may kill up to 2,156 elk in the park each year and as many as 11,600 in the Greater Yellowstone region, according to figures derived from 20 years of wolf study in the park.

    In early winter, for example, he estimates a wolf will kill and consume 1.4 elk every 30 days.

    In late winter that number goes up to 2.2 elk per wolf every 30 days. Over the entire winter season, the average comes out to 1.8 elk per wolf in 30 days.

    Over a year, an average wolf will kill — mostly with other pack members — and consume 16 to 22 elk a year, Smith said. “That’s a rough estimate.”

    Pack sizes correlate to how big the dinner table is, Smith said, and how many wolves can be seated at it. A deer, for example, is large enough to feed a pack of four to six wolves. A dead elk will provide a setting for nine to 10 wolves — typical for pack sizes in Yellowstone.

    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      It’s difficult for me to believe that people would begrudge another animal a meal, or their share. 🙁

      • avatar Mareks Vilkins says:


      • avatar Nancy says:

        Yet a trip back in human history, may explain a lot, Ida:

        “We don’t know what benefits these genetic changes had. But others have suggested that it is our hyper-social, cooperative brain that sets us apart.

        From language and culture to war and love, our most distinctively human behaviours all have a social element”


        • avatar Ida Lupine says:

          That’s got to be the most positive spin on greed and warmongering I have ever read. ♪How Great We Are♫ Thankfully, it is not a universal human trait to begrudge other animals a meal.

          It’s just that we are constantly reading about hunters grumbling about wolves ‘taking all the deer and elk’. Just the other day, I read a comment about grizzlies ‘taking all the salmon’. Between fishing and damming up rivers, a grizzly couldn’t possibly compete with what humans take.

    • avatar John Glowa says:

      They’re doing just what they were intended to do. When was the last mass cull of elk in Yellowstone due to their overpopulation?

  28. avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

    Salmon farming in crisis: ‘We are seeing a chemical arms race in the seas’

  29. avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

    Congested, polluted and with car jobs at risk, Stuttgart reaches a crossroads

  30. avatar Nancy says:

    Gee, what a swell guy!

    “If Donald Trump is actually interested in helping our parks, he should stop trying to slash their budgets to historically low levels,” said Michael Brune, executive director of the Sierra Club”


  31. avatar Immer Treue says:

    Wisconsin Wolf Summit 2

    The klatsch returns to Wisconsin, with antiwolf Warlock Jim Beers as a “keynote” speaker.

    350 miles away…

    • avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

      here we go:



      Wolves – Why 350 (or less) is the maximum for Wisconsin

      Who supports a wolf goal of 350 or less in Wisconsin?
      • 34 Wisconsin County Boards have passed resolutions supporting a wolf goal of:
      • 350 (7)
      • 350 or less (24)
      • 100 or less (1)
      • 80 or less (1)
      • 50 or less (1)

      The votes:

    • avatar Immer Treue says:

      WI 2016 take of all weapon types was about 320,000; so it is not lower as per prediction. Also no account of the repercussions of the back to back tough winters 12/13 and 13/14 on deer herd numbers, and thus take. Therefore, it’s a wolf problem.

      Between Eau Claire and Superior Wisconsin on the 53 corridor, after thanksgiving, I observed more dead deer along the side of the road since the mid 2000’s. I know, correlation does not necessarily mean cause, but an observation just the same.

      • avatar rork says:

        They also seem to be failing to account for the fact that deer were being managed (that is, killed by human hunters) to have less deer than there used to be – cause there were too many. We have smartened up about that in MI too, slightly.

        That more deer got killed in 2016 than 2015, with all those wolves around, is clearly impossible, and when deer kill goes over 350,000 this fall it will also be impossible – there’s some conspiracy to fudge the numbers. Cause the wolves are clearly annihilating the deer. (Yes, I jest.)

        • avatar Immer Treue says:

          Also fail to account for deer removed in “special hunts”for agricultural damage.

          • avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

            Wolf Summit held in Sugar Camp

            More than 50 people gathered in Sugar Camp for the event.

            “There’s tremendous momentum to get the delisting to happen, I mean, it’s a bipartisan issue now,” said Tifffany.

            “What we found in the study was that the people that are affected by wolves, the rural residents of Northern Wisconsin, deer hunters, farmers, are very concerned. They don’t want more wolves they want less,” said DNR Wolf Committee Member Mike Brust.

            Brust says there is a different perspective of the issue between the northern and southern parts of the state.

            “Those that are affected have a lot involved with their livelihood, whereas people in the south they just are interested in the fact that it’s nice that we have wolves up north, but they don’t have to deal with them,” said Brust.

            • avatar Immer Treue says:


              Looking at the sponsors and speakers of that thing, it doesn’t look like “bi” should have been present in that word.

  32. avatar Kathleen says:

    Re-defining the value of public lands: this says it all. Here’s the ‘old’ BLM home page. The missing picture across the top was a dad and his son backpacking in one of the BLM’s designated wilderness areas. https://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en.html

    Here’s the new page: https://www.blm.gov/

  33. avatar Nancy says:

    Well this is mind blowing. Certainly might explain cattle that disappear with out a trance (you know, the ones that get blamed on wolves?)


    • avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

      Wolf in badger’s clothing, Nancy

      “This suggests that the burying behavior was not a “freak event of one badger just doing something really crazy,” but actually may be something that badgers do regularly.

      Badgers are known as excellent diggers and had been known to hide food underground. But the largest previously documented example was a rabbit, he adds.”

      The video shows the badger working day and night for five days. Then, it built a den connected to the carcass and did not surface often.

      “So it worked overtime for five days like really, really intensely, and then it just had a two-week feeding fest,” Buechley added.

      • avatar Nancy says:


        Had quite a few badgers take up residence on my property over the years, Mareks. They keep the ground squirrels in check when they are around. Very interesting to watch if you see them during daylight hours.

  34. avatar Kathleen says:

    MONTANANS – please contact your state senator today. The entire Senate will vote tomorrow (4/5) on House Joint Resolution 9 to release the Wilderness Study Areas in MT. Find the text here: http://laws.leg.mt.gov/legprd/LAW0203W$BSRV.ActionQuery?P_SESS=20171&P_BLTP_BILL_TYP_CD=HJ&P_BILL_NO=9&P_BILL_DFT_NO=&P_CHPT_NO=&Z_ACTION=Find&P_ENTY_ID_SEQ2=&P_SBJT_SBJ_CD=&P_ENTY_ID_SEQ=

    Use this link to look up your state senator by map or using your address: http://leg.mt.gov/css/Sessions/65th/legwebmessage.asp
    and tell him/her to vote against HJ Res. 9. These WSAs should remain protected for the plants and animals who live there and the citizens who value wilderness-quality landscapes. If HJ 9 passes the MT Senate (it has already passed the House)the MT legislature will request that the US Congress eliminate the WSAs.

  35. avatar Ida Lupine says:

    When I read that the manatee had been downlisted from endangered to threatened, I knew immediately who was behind it. Why doe this group have so much clout about delisting wildlife?


  36. avatar Ida Lupine says:

    Here are some interesting statistics to add to the pile. It’s an older article, but then some things never change:

    Poachers Kill More Game Animal Than Wolves, North Idaho Officials Say

  37. avatar Kathleen says:

    On PBS Newshour tonight: Ticks, Lyme disease, and deer–and deer culls. Reporting is from Massachusetts.

  38. avatar Ida Lupine says:

    It would be good if predators could be brought back. Although in my neighborhood, I don’t see as many deer as I once did.

    Wildlife watch: the herring are back, yay!!! It’s like our version of the salmon runs. Gorgeous fish. It’s like a little oasis in a tangle of roads, highways and cars. There’s wildflowers and lots of birds too. How they all manage to survive awes and worries me.

  39. avatar Immer Treue says:

    10 minute PBS video on Lyme Disease, and its vectors.


  40. avatar Ida Lupine says:

    I just don’t want to hear about people panicking and killing everything in sight because of it. We’re not only the hotbed of Lyme disease in this area – but West Nile and EEE. I remember at town meetings people flat out not caring about endangered wildlife and wanting to spray the crap out of any protected areas. 🙁

    I don’t have a dog, and when I am out hiking I am careful to check for ticks on my clothes, and change. I have found some on occasion and removed them from my clothes.

    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      There used to be one elderly gent ex of USF&W or state F&W who used to be the only one to stand up (literally) for and endangered salamander whose habitat is shrinking a lot like the herrings’.

      I was happy to see the presence of the DNR at the herring run too. I almost got into a brawl with a guy (older and who should have known better) about taking herring out of the water and fooling around.

    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      or shower and change, I should say. My doctor told me once when I had been bitten (not by a Lyme tick) that there’s at least a 24 hour window before the disease can be transmitted.

      “For example, the CDC reports (http://www.cdc.gov/lyme/tra… ) that in most cases, a tick must be attached for 36 to 48 hours before the bacteria that causes Lyme disease can be transmitted. While the exact time window is not known (and may differ from person to person), several studies have tried to pin it down. One 2001 study in mice, for example (http://jid.oxfordjournals.o… ), showed that the maximum transmission of the bacteria that causes Lyme disease occurred between 48 and 72 hours.”

      So, as this article says – responsible concern is wise, but not go into a panic:

      Five Reasons To Not Totally Panic About Ticks and Lyme Disease

  41. avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

    In Belarus, wolf-hunters lay traps at edge of Chernobyl zone

    23 photos


    About 1,700 wolves were culled in 2016, according to official data.

    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      I knew it wouldn’t be too much longer, despite the rosy outlook being portrayed. 🙁

    • avatar rork says:

      Maybe Mareks can tell us if that number is so high partly cause lots are puppies. Otherwise seems unsustainable. I want to hunt in Belarus too – for fungi!

      I learned many things through engagement with Vilkins recently, and am grateful. Latvian for wolf is like “Vilki” btw. I was ignorant of the fact that lynx over there are a different species than our “Canadian” lynx, and are twice as big. They eat ungulates allot. Our original lynx (became modern bobcat) and cougar (genus Puma) firt came over about 8 million years ago. When modern lynx migrated here from asia again, during the last land bridge, they faced a landscape that already had a big deer killing cat (at least eventually – some think cougar and smilodon went extinct in Pleistocene in N America, and then cougars from S America invaded). I figure they evolved to be between the size of bobcat and cougar for a reason. They are snow experts ofcourse. There is no hare/lynx cycle in Europe.

      For wolves I already already knew that litter size is density dependent, but now learned that so is sex ratio – now that’s a cool trick. Here’s slide show about belarus wolves, which partly cause of the whimsical spelling, I found very enjoyable:
      (That is, I do not blame these folks for having less perfect English than Mareks. My Russian sucks, and my Latvian is zero. Let them that can juggle 5 languages from 3 families fluently throw the first stone.)

      • avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

        BY (Belarus)

        year / wolf population / cull / cull size as the percentage of the wolf population:

        1980- 2510 -2324 -92.6%
        1981- 2430 -2046 -84.2%
        1982- 2340 -1573 -67.2%
        1983- 2360 -2046 -86.7%
        1984- 2140 -1689 -78.9%
        1985- 2000 -1827 -91.4%
        1986- 1880 -1484 -78.9%
        1987- 1840 -1822 -99.0%
        1988- 1710 -1550 -90.6%
        1989- 1720 -1075 -62.5%
        1990- 1840 -896 -48.7%
        1991- 1860 -723 -38.9%
        1992- 1680 -649 -38.6%
        1993- 1850 -618 -33.4%
        1994- 1860 -717 -38.5%
        1995- 2000 -1185 -59.2%
        1996- 2090 -1226 -58.7%
        1997- 2490 -1267 -50.9%
        1998- 2540 -1148 -45.2%
        1999- 1740 -1019 -58.6%
        2000- 1700 -853 -50.2%
        2001- 1590 -832 -52.3%
        2002- 1640 -729 -44.4%
        2003- 1580 -731 -46.3%
        2004- 1340 -813 -60.7%
        2005- 1290 -806 -62.5%
        2006- 1560 -641 -41.1%
        2007- 1540 -735 -47.7%
        2008- 1690 -670 -39.6%
        2009- 1700 -747 -43.9%
        2010- 1800 -773 -42.9%
        2011- 1810 -650 -35.9%
        2012- 1830 -688 -37.6%
        2013- 1880 -829 -44.1%
        2014- 1980 -913 -46.1%

        • avatar JB says:

          Looks to me like they systematically underrepresent the size of the population. This stretch, in particular, seems impossible without massive immigration.
          1985- 2000 -1827 -91.4%
          1986- 1880 -1484 -78.9%
          1987- 1840 -1822 -99.0%
          1988- 1710 -1550 -90.6%

      • avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

        Where do lynxes give birth to their kits?

        with photos

    • avatar Louise Kane says:

      I have been afraid to see the articles about the wolves of Chernobyl, knowing they would then be targeted. Nothing is safe from humans. Including us.

  42. avatar Mareks Vilkins says:


    Total area – 208 000 km2
    Forests – 86 000 km2 (40% of the total area)

    The government wants to reduce the wolf population to 500-600 individuals in winter (that is, before the pups are born in May)

    in 2016 they killed 1734 wolves
    in 2015 they killed 1481 wolves

    but were they really the wolves? or rather the wolf-dog hybrids?

    86K (km2) : 250 km2 (the size of avg. wolf territory)= 344 territories

    there are not that many ungulates in BY (2015):

    moose (Alces alces) – 32 000 (cull -3 800)
    elk (Cervus elaphus)- 15 000 (cull -1 150)
    wild boar – 8 000 (cull -17 000)
    roe deer – 75 000 (cull -8 000)

    beavers – 60 000 (cull-9 000)

    the game species estimate is based on snow track index (I guess)

  43. avatar Ida Lupine says:

    From the HCN. They always have something good for this day:

    Meanwhile, the recalcitrant Utah delegation kept a low profile…

  44. avatar Kathleen says:

    Regarding the “wall of coal” header pic at BLM’s website:

    The coal pic is already gone: https://www.blm.gov/

  45. avatar Kathleen says:

    Book notice – this arrived in my inbox & figured I’d post it here–just FYI.

    “Wolf Nation: The life, death, and return of wild American wolves” by Brenda Peterson

    “Merging science, history, and memoir, Wolf Nation tells of the centuries-long battle to save America’s wild wolves. In a narrative spanning 300 years, Peterson tells what is ultimately a positive and inspiring tale that begins with zealous extermination by western settlers, but ends with the successful reintegration of wolves into Yellowstone National Park. Wolf Nation is an emotionally powerful work that weaves together the stories of specific wolves, and the scientists, ranchers, and activists who are fighting for them.”


  46. avatar Nancy says:

    What wolves do best – culling the sick & the weak.

    This doe does look sick. (slobbering) Also watch day 98.


  47. avatar Immer Treue says:

    Drooling is one of the signs that starvation is setting in. I know where that was filmed. Deer up here pretty much live off fat reserves for half the year, browsing woody stem with growth buds (stunting to preventing forest regeneration)throughout the winter. By April, they are teetering on the edge of survival. After a tough winter, when you see whitetail up here, they are nothing but skin and bones.

    Almost all snow is gone after and unbelievably mild winter, yet a heavy April snowstorm, not that uncommon here, would be a death knell for many deer.

  48. avatar Immer Treue says:

    Deer/Lyme. Correlation or causation, with focus on Minnesota and Wisconsin



    Is the attempt to maintain deer populations in the sweet spot of the sigmoid growth curve, in essence the reason for the general increase in Lyme disease in these two states, or just one of the variables, as the deer (black legged) tick Ixodes scapularis feeds upon deer during the latter stage of its adult life. The deer tick, during its two year cycle, actually pick up the bacteria that causes Lymes from white footed mice, other rodents, and some birds, early in the tick life cycle. The deer enter the picture as female ticks engorge on their blood meal, drop off, lay their eggs, and thus repeat the cycle.

    All the while, our mousers and other rodent eaters: red and gray fox; coyotes; and various weasels are subjected to trapping, allowing the mouse population to endure. Thus, both reservoirs for the deer tick population are maintained at higher levels, and cases of Lyme’s continue to increase. Correlation or cause?

  49. avatar Kathleen says:

    “What’s at stake in Trump’s proposed EPA cuts”
    “Far more than climate change. …The Trump administration’s proposed cuts to the Environmental Protection Agency budget are deep and wide-ranging.”

    Everything from tap water (“let them drink lead”) to less enforcement for violators but more (way more) personal security for Pruitt! In today’s NYTimes:

  50. avatar Kathleen says:

    “Experts warn 800 species, many endangered, affected by border wall”

    Excerpt: “Animals have no concept of political boundaries created by humans, and to impose a physical barrier that impedes their movement is entirely wrong,” she told Fox News.

    “The border region is a massive area of natural beauty and diversity,” she said, “to destroy its ecosystems with a wall when other alternatives are available is unfair to the innocent wildlife which has been there far longer than us.”


    • avatar Louise Kane says:

      I’ve been dismayed to see so little coverage of this aspect of “the wall” disaster. I hate this regime.

  51. avatar Kathleen says:

    These things simply won’t happen, right? Trust us.
    “Thousands of salmon escape sea farm in one of biggest breaches in industry history”

    Excerpt: “A Norwegian study published last July suggests some domesticated escapees have mated with wild fish, which could weaken the wild population. Scientists are also ­investigating whether escaped fish could eat or displace wild species.”


  52. avatar Nancy says:

    For the “night owls” out there on TWN, an excellent live webcam of a pair of nesting Great Horned Owls in Charlo, Mt:


    The webcam was down for 2 weeks but back up now and there are 2 “owlets” that hatched in the down time, who are being fed and cared for by both parents. The activities at the nest seem more active during the night hours.

  53. avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

    Parallel evolution in canids is why you can’t trust the fossil record

    mtDNA studies are notorious for leading people astray when we’re dealing with closely related species that can and do hybridize

    Mitochondrial DNA is inherited only from the mother, and thus, it misses a lot of genetic information

    recent genome-wide studies that have found red and Eastern wolves to be hybrids with wolves and coyotes

    really need to be careful about morphological studies in canids. That’s because canids can evolve quite rapidly, and there is a great tendency toward parallel evolution in the family

    Nature selectively breeds, too, and dogs in the wild can rapidly change to fit new niches.

    These issues are going to confound virtually every study on canid evolution. This is one reason why we have nothing resembling a consensus on dog domestication. It is very hard to figure out when a sub-fossil wolf is a dog or is too much like a wolf to be a dog.

    This is why I trust molecular studies far more than paleontology

    The comparative genome study found that the most recent common ancestor of the wolf and coyote lived around 50,000 years ago, and it probably was living in Eurasia at the time. This animal was probably an archaic form of Canis lupus or maybe Canis mosbachensis.

    • avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

      When the numbers are high, coyotes form stable packs and have relatively few young. They hunt mid-sized prey. When numbers are lower, they hunt rodents and lagomorphs, and female coyotes actually have a hormone change when the numbers are low and produce more ova during their estrus cycles. The females mate at 10 months instead of 22 months, and with more ova produced and more bitches breeding, the population can easily recover from a dire wolf or Smilodon attack. This is also why killing coyotes can actually force their numbers up, and it is one reason our intense persecution of coyotes has resulted in them spreading North, South, and to the East

      If you’ve ever looked into a coyote’s eyes, it is like looking into the eyes of a very bright dog. They have so many dog-like mannerism that is hard not to see the similarity.

      But you’re actually looking into the eyes of a super wolf. This is the wolf that took all we could throw it at, and it thrived beyond our wildest expectations.

      In Anthropocene, the meek do inherit the earth.

      • avatar Ida Lupine says:

        What a great post. I heard one howl in the early morning a few days ago. I’m always thrilled when I hear them.

  54. avatar alf says:

    Really good “Writers on the Range” essay I lifted from last Thursday’s edition of the Missoula Independent :

    To save wildlife, humans better start sharing
    By Stephen Capra

    We live in a time where we are heading toward a world without wildlife. We have a voice and a vote, yet we elect people who support the destruction of what makes our planet livable. But perhaps our gravest sin continues to be our treatment of wildlife. How is it that, given an earth so rich in life, humanity has chosen to kill—to destroy—the oasis we have been granted?

    We live in a time of great knowledge about animals, and many people have become advocates for all species. Yet prejudice, war and social unrest make even our relationships with our fellow humans complex. Governments are already slow to act to protect the natural world. Now, consider how hard we find it to deal with species that look nothing like us, that live underwater or fly through the sky, that compete with us for food or could even make us their next meal.

    Add into the mix poverty, hunger, population pressure and cultural norms, then multiply all that by corporate greed, energy development, rapid deforestation and climate change, and you begin to understand the true cycle of genocide that modern civilization is waging against wildlife—and ultimately itself.

    We have a long history of destroying wildlife. The Great Plains remains for many the centerpiece of America’s shame, the site of a wanton waste of wildlife, which left species like the passenger pigeon extinct and the bison all but gone. In order to destroy the Native American cultures and take control of the land, many of us saw the killing of wildlife as almost a patriotic endeavor. The aftermath of decay and dried bones scattered across a vast expanse of America marks, without question, wildlife’s own “Trail of Tears.”

    Our growing awareness of the decimation of the West’s native species eventually inspired the enactment of laws and regulations designed to prevent such a killing spree from occurring again. Conservationists began working to make people understand the value of species that do not resemble human beings.

    In 2014, the World Wildlife Fund issued a report with the Zoological Society of London, which found that a number of species of wild animals had lost half their populations in 40 years. The culprits were many—humans killing wildlife for food in unsustainable numbers, the pollution and destruction of habitat. The report went on to point out that we are “cutting trees faster than we regrow them, catching fish faster than the oceans can restock, pumping water from rivers and aquifers faster than rainfall can replenish them, and emitting more climate-warming carbon dioxide than oceans and forests can absorb.” The most rapid decline of wildlife populations has occurred in freshwater ecosystems, where wildlife numbers have plummeted more than 75 percent since 1970.

    click to enlarge
    Yet most of us continue to confront such situations with a shrug of recognition, a new-normal sense of futility, or maybe the vague hope that science will ultimately save us from our madness. Right now, we are witness to the last great extinction of species in our history, one that, if not stopped, will remove the final barrier to our complete isolation as humans. Think of the karma we will inherit for our refusal to share our world and to accept our responsibility to live in harmony with all species.

    The shift to harmony may only be realized after the implosion of our material-based society, once we make massive shifts in our diet and break the back of the corporations that feed the sickness in our society. But most of all, it requires leadership—placing in power people who respect all species and understand the value of a shared earth. This change will only come with basic human kindness and love. If we pass laws that end cruelty and protect more lands and more waters, we can truly embrace the concept that all life matters.

    Like all politics, this shift must begin locally. Like all education, it requires great teachers who will provide the next generation the chance to get it right. What is different for wildlife today is that we are running out of time. We cannot look to make change in 20, 30 or 40 years. The change must happen now.

    We are moving toward a world without wildlife, not because we want it but because we have not accepted a formula that truly allows coexistence. That formula will only exist when society, nations and people understand the limitations of being human—when we accept such limits on ourselves in order to share, not control, the world we live in.

    The Zen of that concept is the deeper connection and relationship with species that will enrich our lives. Only then will we have finally matured as the species we call human.

    Stephen Capra is a contributor to Writers on the Range, the opinion service of High Country News (hcn.org). He is the executive director of Bold Visions Conservation, based in New Mexico.

    • avatar Nancy says:

      An article from E. O. Wilson,2 years ago, addressing the same basic concerns, Alf. But who’s paying attention?


      “By helping to preserve this piece of American wilderness, Wilson may well be making a down payment on some of the ideas in Half-Earth. In encouraging communities to create preserves and parks, he is helping to save precious patches of remnant wilderness”

      The precious patch of meadow land, just across from me, sold recently and I’ve been holding my breath, waiting to meet the new owners.

      Wondering whether that small stretch of creek would continue to be degraded by cattle – breaking down the fragile banks and rounding out the willows, lining the banks of the creek.

      Would the meadow be chemically fertilized again this year, an awful stench if you happen to be outside, to increase hay yield?

      I’m glad to say, I’ve stopped holding my breath. Had a chance to talk with one of the new owners this morning and he sounds committed to leaving this meadow alone, because he finds it as enchanting as I do 🙂

  55. avatar Kathleen says:

    “Wildlife advocates see wolves as ‘best natural defense’ against chronic wasting disease”


    The responses to this article on the Missoulian’s Facebook page are so mind-boggling that it’s hard to believe they aren’t said in jest, but I’m afraid not. The Missoulian has a very strong following of anti-intellectual types who spew their hateful opinions nonstop. It’s here for anyone who cares: https://www.facebook.com/Missoulian/posts/1300551140051912

    • avatar Kathleen says:

      “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” ~Isaac Asimov

  56. avatar Louise Kane says:


    here is what this sorry sob is up to now, transfer of 200K acres of Tongass forest for logging. After last years transfer of 75K acres in the GOP compromise “conservation” bill this could be even more disastrous for the rare Alexander Archipelago wolves. I hate these people a little more every day

  57. avatar Louise Kane says:


    no divide between rural and urban BC voters on trophy hunting of grizzlies 76% oppose
    I’m betting it would be the same for wolves
    Governments continue to listen to minority voices even when the majority constituents are howling mad. How to change this, is it just a follow your money situation or does it have to do with good ol’ boy relationships?

  58. avatar Kathleen says:

    Trump, Jr. wants to shoot Montana prairie dogs…
    Donald Trump, Jr. will be campaigning in Montana for Greg Gianforte, who hopes to fill our one U.S. Representative seat left vacant by Ryan Zinke, now Trump’s Sec’y of Interior. Though Zinke is entirely unqualified for the job, Junior’s influence helped a fellow hunter obtain a Cabinet post. On Monday, Gianforte spoke to a group of Christian conservatives in Hamilton, MT, saying, “You know what we’re going to do over the weekend? Donald Trump, Jr. wanted bad to shoot prairie dogs. So we’re going to help him scratch that itch…” The comment “was met with laughter and applause.”

  59. avatar Kathleen says:

    This story is about a week old–apologies if already posted.

    “Turkey hunters hiding behind fanned gobbler decoy shot by partner”


    “The investigation has yet to determine the distance at which the shot was fired, the sheriff said. He also did not know whether an actual turkey was in the area that both parties were hearing or if they simply were “calling in” each other.”


    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      Sad. But you reminded me, I’m seeing a lot of turkeys fanning their tails and it is just so beautiful. Also, there was a little gray fox in the backyard early this morning. What a cutie.

  60. avatar Kathleen says:

    Most of us probably have no idea how toxic our world is:

    “Originally derived from a nerve gas developed by Nazi Germany, chlorpyrifos has been sprayed on citrus, apples, cherries and other crops for decades. It is among the most widely used agricultural pesticides in the United States, with Dow selling about 5 million pounds domestically each year.”

    From: “Dow Chemical is pushing Trump administration to ignore studies of toxic pesticide”

    Excerpt: “The EPA’s recent biological evaluation of chlorpyrifos found the pesticide is “likely to adversely affect” 1,778 of the 1,835 animals and plants accessed as part of its study, including critically endangered or threatened species of frogs, fish, birds and mammals. Similar results were shown for malathion and diazinon.”


  61. avatar Kathleen says:

    What if Earth treated us the way we treat Earth?
    Happy Earth Day!

  62. avatar Gary Humbard says:

    My “neck of the woods” in Oregon. Although Oregon can’t boast of the numbers of wolves YET, I will continue to search for them near where I live. It would be a big check off on my bucket list as I have seen almost every species of native wildlife to North America in the wild. Of course, it’s when you are not looking for something, is when you have an encounter!


  63. avatar Yvette says:

    It would be good if the participants on TWN make public comment on Trump’s EO 13777. Scott Pruitt requested an EPA task force to evaluate existing regulations and to make recommendations to identify regulations that can be Repealed, Replaced or Modified. EPA is requesting input to fulfill the objective of identifying regulations for RRM via conference calls with specific groups or public meetings in some cases.

    Get all of that information here, https://www.epa.gov/laws-regulations/regulatory-reform

    There is a link on that page to the docket where you make comment but it is here, https://www.regulations.gov/docket?D=EPA-HQ-OA-2017-0190

  64. avatar Kathleen says:

    “Bike deal adds heartache, hope to wilderness proposal”

    Excerpt: “In return for endorsing full federal protection of 80,000 acres, the International Mountain Bicycling Association (IMBA) and two Montana mountain biking groups laid claim to about 3,800 acres for future cycling trails. That’s next to a proposed 2,200-acre recreation management area designated for snowmobile use.”

    Excerpt: “Mountain bikers and snowmobilers are going after a different sort of recreational benefit than what I’m going after or hikers are going after. We’re seeking the hush of the land. Solitude. Every turn of the trail is a new experience to enjoy at our own pace.

    “Mountain bikers are out to challenge the resource. It’s about how fast you can go and how many miles you can put on. Snowmobilers are after the highest mark on the hillside, the highest speed across the meadow.”


  65. avatar Nancy says:

    Kind of wildlife related 🙂

  66. avatar Kathleen says:

    Comments Needed on Plan to Recover Grizzlies in North Cascades

    The National Park Service in conjunction with the US Fish and Wildlife Service has prepared a draft environmental impact statement (DEIS) on a plan to translocate grizzlies into the North Cascades in Washington. The Forest Service is a cooperating agency, though it appears that agency’s input in the DEIS is minimal. Comments are due April 28.


    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      A natural recovery alternative would require working with British Columbia to protect grizzlies over a larger land base, and would provide for connectivity via protected habitat corridors.

      ‘Rejected for dubious reasons’, the article says. I would prefer this holistic approach as well. For whose benefit then are the bears being reintroduced? F&W and other agencies need to update their methods.

      The other thing is that all of the problems in the GYA haven’t been worked out yet for the grizzlies there, and some of the reasons for delisting are rather ‘dubious’.

  67. avatar Kathleen says:

    “Zinke will recommend Bears Ears fate within 45 days”

    Excerpt: “Marc Short, the White House director of legislative affairs, said earlier Tuesday that the review will look at the possible overreach of monument designations, including the impact they have on Americans who graze livestock on federal acreage. He was not sure if the review would seek to change the Antiquities Act, which has been used by every president since Teddy Roosevelt to declare monuments. …

    “Short said the concern about the monument designations comes down to people who use the area for grazing who feel their rights were infringed on. “In many cases there’s been an outcry saying that there’s a federal government overreach that was taking away land that they were either using for agriculture purposes or purposes for their cattle, their sheep,” Short said.”


  68. avatar Kathleen says:

    “State of the Mountain Lion: A call to end trophy hunting of America’s lion” a report released a couple days ago

    Link to it from here: http://blog.humanesociety.org/wayne/2017/04/hsus-mountain-lion-report-2017.html

    or access it directly here:

    Predictably, Montana is 2nd only to Idaho for trophy hunt mortalities.

    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      You would think that the people of this country would be proud to have “America’s lion” and do everything the can to protect our own native wildlife. and what a magnificent creature they are.

  69. avatar Guepardo Lento says:

    Dr. Rob Wielgus from Washington State University is going to the mat with the University over the suppression of academic freedom regarding his research on wolves, and his open criticism of the 2016 lethal removal of the Profanity Peak wolf pack in WA state. Not reported is that last month he contacted members of the WA Wolf Advisory Group (WAG) and other state officials attempting clarify and refute WSU’s August 2016 statement that had threw Dr. Wielgus “under the bus”. Essentially WSU tried to “correct” what they claimed were false statements made by Dr. Wielgus regarding the rancher involved with the Profanity pack. However, they weren’t false statements and he attempted recently to revisit the issue and has been slammed by WSU once again (fueled by state republican representative Joel Kretz, who is in the pocket of the WA cattle industry). Kretz has recently stated he is “working” alongside Conservation NW towards wolf conservation, but it boils down to his disdain for wolves and his mission to sink Dr. Wielgus…

    • avatar Louise Kane says:

      Jon way published a testimonial about the discrimination and obstruction he faced because his coyote research conflicts with state policy
      They have consistently tampered with his career
      And affiliations. His story is appalling. He published it on eastern coyote research
      This kind of bs is not uncommon
      State agencies and wildlife policy needs a long deserved overhaul

    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      Thank goodness! I’m glad Dr. Wielgus has such integrity. I know that Washington F&W is caught in the middle too.

      Every few days there’s something in the news about Washington wolves. There was something recently about non-lethal alternatives, and a rancher grousing that it might delay killing them:


  70. avatar Tina says:

    Has anyone ever heard of a program that Virginia tech had years back where they crossbred black panthers and lions and then released them into the wild here in Virginia?

    • avatar Immer Treue says:

      No, not at all.

    • avatar aves says:

      I’d not heard the one about crossbreeding but have heard many other local myths about VT releasing lions, coyotes, wolves, rattlesnakes, or other scary beasts to control deer herds.

      All are completely false but one or the other is always going around. I guess combining a fear of predators and a disdain for higher learning makes for a very catchy conspiracy theory.

  71. avatar MAD says:

    Hmmm, this article contradicts what hunters have been saying for years how their licenses and fees fund the majority of the state FWP agency budget. I’m not surprised there is stalling to fund state agencies by the new administration in regard to “positive” action toward wildlife and the environment. Why can’t these be fast-tracked like the extractive industries and the pipelines?


    • avatar Gary Humbard says:

      “Much of the money for FWP comes from Pittman-Robertson funds collected from a federal tax on firearms and ammunition purchases, as well as Dingell-Johnson funds that are gathered from a tax on fishing gear and some boat engine sales”.

      Unless I’m missing something (if so, please enlighten me), I would bet much of the money spent on firearms and ammo is from hunters so I don’t see any contradiction. Fishers are also paying, albeit at a smaller total amount.

    • avatar Louise Kane says:

      Insane here right now
      You can’t move through a blade of grass without finding ticks
      It generally subsides in s month but when first wave comes watch out
      Anyone know how rabbits, squirrels, skink, coyotes and fox get through Rick season?

      • avatar Immer Treue says:

        May 1 and snowing here. Depending on source, 1-6 inches of snow. Got to look at the bright side, everyday of snow is a day less of ticks…

  72. avatar Louise Kane says:

    I see the spending budget moved forward does anyone know what poison pills were included? I’m hoping nothing related to wolf delisting?
    They throw so much shit at us some of it will stick. It feels impossible to react properly because the blows are so steady and tbe dirty fighting has taken on a new low

    • avatar Kathleen says:

      “Congress did the right thing by not opting to legislatively delist gray wolves in this bill, and instead deferred to the courts currently hearing cases about the fate of wolves in the Great Lakes.” More:


      • avatar Louise Kane says:

        Thank you for that good news
        I’ve been unable to find anything definitive
        I can barely stand to hear the news lately
        Hearing trump speak or being reported on causes me such great anxiety
        I’ve been greatly concerned about the wolf delisting maneuvers
        One can only hope that the great outcry against the reversal of obamas rule may have also played a role
        I’m like wise ignorant about the Great Lakes legislation referenced in the blog
        I’m hoping some challenged the legislation that override the mi voter referendum and would provide for hunting if wolves loose federal protections ? Sadly fascinating that casketson and others can’t accept even a voter referendum and vote where their constituents send a clear message no wolf hunts
        The arrogant persistence to kill and scapegoat wolves is astounding

        Anyone out there with info on the cases please post and thanks again Kathleen

      • avatar Ida Lupine says:

        Sigh of relief!

      • avatar Ida Lupine says:

        House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer were intensely focused on keeping this bill free of anti-animal riders, and worked across the aisle with a number of Republicans who have repeatedly championed animal protection issues.

        Heartfelt thanks to Nancy and Chuck!!!! I can be a Democrat again without reservation. Whew!

  73. avatar Louise Kane says:

    The dangers of cell phone posting and auto spell check always lurking

  74. avatar louise kane says:

    I’d like to share a petition that I have spent a lot of time on. It was created to ban carnivore hunting in the Cape Cod National Seashore. Most National Parks do not allow hunting. After sending out a similar petition to the Cape Cod National Seashore several years ago and receiving the predictable status quo response we have come into some good luck. The current superintendent is leaving so there is a window of opportunity to open up the request again and since then Jon Way has received a permit to study carnivores on seashore land. The study is similar to what Doug Smith received in Yellowstone. Thus we are also revising the petition to request that the park support the study by hiring Jon Way, since there are also 3 new vacancies. It’s a good time strategically to reopen the petition. Please take a look and if you agree sport carnivore hunting is wasteful and should be banned on National Park Land please sign and share. I would greatly appreciate your support.


  75. avatar louise kane says:

    as a follow up to the last post, I also attended a town hall with Ed Markey a MA Senator and other democrats. We have a new state senator who was very interested in assisting us and I’ve got a promise for a meeting with the rep and the seashore staff. I’m hopeful we will get some support there for the ban and for the Carnivore Conservation Act! Wish us luck.

    Thanking John Maguranis of Project Coyote, Brooks Fahy of Predator Defense and Elizabeth Brook for their support!

    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      That’s wonderful and great news! Good luck!

    • avatar Gary Humbard says:

      Excellent job in all your efforts preparing this petition Louise. I look forward to hearing from you on the outcome and am optimistic for success.

      • avatar Louise Kane says:

        Thank you Gary

      • avatar Louise Kane says:

        We’ve received close to 1700 supporters in the last few days for those of you who signed thabk you
        Please consider sharing and or sending to those who may be interested in seeing an avenue to protect coyotes and promote a study of them

  76. avatar Kathleen says:

    Apologies if this was already posted–it’s from last week. Fantastic editorial from the Salt Lake Tribune:

    “Utah’s national monuments have already justified themselves”

    Excerpt: “If this is a review and not a charade, it will come down to Ryan Zinke. Unlike his president, Zinke in his briefing was careful not to say the outcome was preordained. …

    “There is no oil pipeline that needs to cross the Bears Ears, Secretary Zinke. There is no boom to be unleashed if the monument vanished, and multiple use is specifically called for in the president’s monument proclamation.

    “An honest assessment will show our monuments should stand until our leaders can catch up to our future.”


  77. avatar Kathleen says:

    “Denmark Now Has A Wild Wolf Pack Again — For The First Time In 200 Years” – includes wildlife cam footage.


  78. avatar Nancy says:


    Meanwhile back in my neck of the woods (Montana) my morning started out early trying to get a hoop greenhouse up.

    Suddenly the air was filled with the sounds of a REALLY low flying airplane. No joke, the pilot (who I understand, flies for Wildlife Services) must of buzzed up and down this “cow infested” valley, in a tight circle, more than a dozen times.

    After the 5th? 6th? pass right over the top of my cabin, I grabbed my camera and got a couple of shots.

    So low, my chickens were afraid to venture out.

    Never heard a shot fired in all those passes, so I’m guessing some rancher, down the valley, maybe
    saw a wolf and got his “panties in a knot” and speed dialed re-enforcements (WS)

    Hey folks, your tax dollars ($$ subsidies) at work for the livestock industry. I think its something like $3 to $5 grand an hour (someone correct me?) to put one of those puppies (planes) up to hunt down and kill a couple of predators?

    My neighbor, who’s helping me get the greenhouse up, did finally comment on how many times this plane flew back and forth over my cabin (but fact is, he’s pretty anal about wolves back on the landscape)

    So I had a little fun with him and said that maybe it wasn’t WS but DEA? Checking out the ribs for what appears to be a sizable greenhouse, that might lead to the growing of “stuff” other than what’s approved for the area 🙂

    • avatar Ida Lupine says:


    • avatar Gary Humbard says:

      Always enjoy reading your comments Nancy, so keep them coming girl!

      As for the cost, I think $1,500.00 an hour for a two passenger Cessna with a pilot and killer would be in the ball park and it would still be a total waste of money.

      • avatar ma'iingan says:

        It costs us $150 an hour here in WI for an agency plane and pilot – I don’t understand why it would be 10X that in your region.

      • avatar Nancy says:


        Thanks for the $ breakdown, Gary and agree, a total waste of money.

  79. avatar Kathleen says:

    Editorial from Great Falls Tribune giving preference to states’ management plan for wolverines over ESA listing:


    And comment from wolverine researcher at The Wolverine Foundation:

    “We’re the ones who look at a piece like this and let you know how to quickly distinguish between arguments that have a scientifically valid basis, and those that don’t. Saying that the states’ management plan is better than a federal management plan because it has a lot of participation from different partners is not the same as saying it’s more scientifically defensible. We have nothing against the states, but wildlife management should have a scientific basis. It shouldn’t be based in identity politics.

    “We won’t actually know for some time whether the state plan is preferable to the federal plan, because the results of this study are not yet in, and we haven’t seen the plan.”


  80. avatar Kathleen says:

    Three Yellowstone employees do everything right in the backcountry but still have to face down a charging mama griz. A bear spray readiness story–not sure if you need a Facebook account to view this: https://www.facebook.com/YellowstoneNPS/videos/vb.151418891540140/1352802038068480/?type=2&theater

    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      No offense meant, and it’s probably just my hypersensitivity about these things, but choice of words – should it really be called a ‘surprise’ encounter, especially by Yellowstone employees?

      Also, the term ‘facing down’ suggests an ‘us against them’ approach to wildlife, which seems to emphasize human dominance over the bears’ natural behavior and right to be there also. Is it so pride damaging to say we ‘backed down’ or ‘backed away’? I don’t think so.

      I don’t have Facebook so I wasn’t able to read the actual account – but I wish we’d get to the point where our being in wilderness does not always suggest or legitimize some kind of showdown or war against wildlife where humans ‘trump’ the other inhabitants as the top dogs. A more together or equal approach would be more helpful, I think.

      • avatar Ida Lupine says:

        I don’t have Facebook and have no plans to ever have it, I should say. I just think we are much too aggressive in our approaches to wildlife.

        • avatar Kathleen says:

          These folks weren’t aggressive–they were doing everything possible to keep bears safe…from traveling in a group of 3, to constantly and loudly yelling, to carrying bear spray. Given the size of the group and the yelling, it probably *was* a surprise–but thankfully one they were prepared for with a nonlethal weapon. I’ve been in the exact same situation in YNP (without facing a charging mom)–a group of 4 hiking in (and following) fresh griz tracks, shouting and singing until we were literally hoarse, and carrying 3 canisters of spray among us. Fortunately, we never saw the bear. I consider that video a valuable bear/human safety lesson (that reached nearly 5000 perhaps-otherwise-clueless Yellowstone enthusiasts just in that one post) rather than a lesson in human animal dominance over nonhuman animals.

          • avatar Ida Lupine says:

            I was saying the choice of words leaves a lot to be desired. Facing down is an aggressive stance. There’s nothing wrong with avoidance. Reinforcing humans dominant place, I wonder if it just makes people more bold.

            It remains to be seen whether or not it does any good (hopefully it will) – but hiking in bear country should not be a surprise to anyone – least of all Yellowstone employees.

    • avatar Louise Kane says:

      Kathleen excellent video
      Not only did they save their own lives but the bears too

      I remember hiking with a friend in British Columbia in a part of the pacific trail about 15 years ago at least
      We were so stupid
      I remember reading the bear signs and thinking nothing of them
      It was spring and we were having fun
      Later, a friend gave me the book bear attack
      Up unti tben I did not understand bears would attack
      I guess I bemuevef because I loved wildlife I was immune to attacks
      That and in tbe northeast we don’t really see bears all that often
      Since then I do carry bear spray when bears may make an impromptu visit
      Now I’ll keep that spray in a pocket where I can get to it and not in a backpack
      Great post

      • avatar Ida Lupine says:

        When we were hiking in Yellowstone, I read the bear signs and took them seriously. We avoided where the Park Service had posted they had been seen. I had read about a very frightening encounter in the past and the image has stayed with me (woman’s arm pulled out of socket). Not a foolproof way to avoid running into them, but it’s something. And of course bear spray, goes without saying.

        • avatar Ida Lupine says:

          See, I know when I can be beat, and I don’t need to prove that a human is the king of the jungle. The resident wildlife prevails, in my view, and I am more than happy to defer. I’m a visitor on their turf.

          My experience has been that warnings and information are posted at every turn by the Park Service, how to recognize a grizzly, etc., so there should be no ‘surprise’ encounters by any visitor. Even bison I was careful not to challenge in any way.

          I also don’t like to call bad encounters attacks because in the animal’s view, it is defensive. We’re supposed to be the smarter ones, and can take steps to protect ourselves. There’s no barrier to protect visitors like there is in a zoo, and I wish the Park Service would try to be a little bit firmer in their warnings, instead of coddling visitors.

  81. avatar Kathleen says:

    “The NRA Warns Hunters to Prepare for War:
    An aggressive new ad campaign tries to pit sportsmen against “perverted” animal lovers”

    Fear rules at the NRA: “To save hunting, you must understand the terms of the battle. Because the animal rights extremists fighting to destroy hunting have an even more destructive goal: the systematic diminishment of humanity itself.”

    How do you know when you actually might be making a difference? When dealing with animal activists is compared to dealing with Al Qaeda. Don’t miss the one-minute embedded video, “Trust the hunter in your blood: The animal rights dream.”


  82. avatar Jeff N. says:


    The good news….two wolf pups with valuable genetics cross fostered into the San Mateo pack in NM.

    The bullsh!t news….two wild born San Mateo wolf pups taken from the den and placed into captivity due to NM’s no net increase position in this agreement. I have no idea why USFW agreed to this deal regarding this cross fostering of pups.

    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      ??????? Don’t understand that at all. The wild born are extremely important. Maybe they’re trying to domesticate wolves, breed the wild out of them.

      • avatar Ida Lupine says:

        ^^That’s my answer to the latest NRA conspiracy theory – and I noticed there was a ‘hit the donate button’ quote in the NRA’s article, which is what we’re usually accused of. 🙂

    • avatar Jeff N. says:

      A little additional information on why two wild born pups were removed from the San Mateo pack’s den during the cross fostering/placement of two other pups into the San Mateo den.


      • avatar Ida Lupine says:

        I understand that this step was needed for genetic diversity; but what I do not understand is taking wildlife out of the wild and placing them into captivity to placate ranchers whims. The point of protecting an endangered species is to increase the population? It is not standard procedure and is unacceptable. Where did the new pups come from?

        I wish that the government agencies would have a bit more spine. For example, coddling park visitors – there is no method that will 100% protect people in bear country but staying out of bear country. I wish they’d be a bit more frank about what could happen.

        • avatar Ida Lupine says:

          Or where did the new pups’ genetic material come from, I should say. It’s all about fooling around with science and it is repellent. I wish we could leave things alone.

          • avatar Ida Lupine says:

            This background is from the Center for Biological Diversity:

            At last count in January, Arizona and New Mexico supported 113 wolves in the wild. Approximately 30 live in the wild in Mexico. In addition, 251 wolves are held in captivity among 51 zoos and specialized institutions, but most of those are too old or otherwise unsuitable for breeding or release. In the wild and in captivity, pups will be born toward the end of April and early May.

            All Mexican gray wolves in the world stem from just seven animals captured from the wild and successfully bred. These animals were the only survivors of a U.S. government trapping and poisoning program carried out from 1915 to 1972 on behalf of the livestock industry, including from 1950 onward in Mexico as a U.S. foreign-aid project.

            Those surviving wolves’ descendants were reintroduced into Arizona and New Mexico beginning in 1998 and in Mexico beginning in 2011, but U.S. regulations forbade the release of captive-raised wolves — despite approving the release of wild-caught wolves — in New Mexico until promulgation of the 2015 rule.

            Scientists have linked faltering reproductive success — small litter sizes and few pups living to maturity — in the reintroduced U.S. population to the loss, including to federal trapping and shooting on behalf of the livestock industry, of genetically important wolves, compounded by the rarity of releases of captive wolves into the wild. Experts have recommended stronger wolf protections in the wild, which the Fish and Wildlife Service refuses, and the releases of genetically-diverse wolves into southwestern New Mexico where there is high-quality but unoccupied wolf habitat — for which today’s ruling reinstates authority.


    • avatar Louise Kane says:

      In thinking about this oak disease it’s very similar to the decimation of bat colonies around the world where the white nose pathogen is wiping bat colonies out
      Same problem too the pathogen introduced from a foreign site

  83. avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

    Most mammals need only 12 seconds to poop

    Mechanical engineers studying the hydrodynamics of soft matter have a new universal constant to add to the annals of science: On average, most mammals take just 12 seconds to poop. The researchers studiously observed that mammals from cats to elephants all apply about the same amount of pressure to finish the job, regardless of body size, according to New Scientist. Larger animals compensate for their bigger feces and longer rectums with thicker mucus that keeps the action down to the 12-second average, the researchers write this week in Soft Matter. That’s fully 8 seconds shorter than the universal mammal urination time of 21 seconds, a discovery for which the same team won an Ig Nobel Prize in 2015.

    • avatar Nancy says:

      No shit?

    • avatar Immer Treue says:

      Human males will have a tendency to stretch this out if a sports page is handy.

    • avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

      aye Nancy – some fascinating details


      “But it wasn’t all painful this year. Research on relief also got the nod. Scientists at Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta who collected urine from various mammals came to the startling conclusion that nearly all of them—from dogs to elephants—took about the same amount of time to pee. Although an elephant may have 100 times more urine in its bladder than a dog, its pee gushes about 100 times faster. In what has come to be known as the Golden Rule, all mammals tend to urinate for about 21 seconds, the team reported last year in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.”


      Gut: the inside story of our body’s most under-rated organ

      A publishing sensation that … sets out to free toilet talk from its taboo’ – The Times

      ‘[Enders] is utterly, charmingly obsessed with the gut, gut bacteria and poo. She writes and talks about her subject matter with such childlike enthusiasm it’s infectious … The perfect toilet book.’ – Annalisa Barbieri, Guardian

  84. avatar Nancy says:

    “Hanford is the nation’s largest nuclear cleanup site, with 56 million gallons of radioactive waste sitting in old, leaky underground tanks just a few hours upriver from Portland. After more than 20 years and $19 billion[,] not a drop of waste has been treated.

    ***”Hanford sits next to the Columbia River. It was one of the original Manhattan Project sites. Its nine nuclear reactors irradiated uranium fuel rods. That created plutonium, which was extracted with chemicals, processed and shipped to weapons factories. Each step produced radioactive waste. …

    “The stored waste has to be treated in special rooms called black cells, which are too radioactive for humans to enter. The machinery in these black cells is supposed to operate for 40 years with no direct human intervention. If something goes wrong, the cells could be damaged.”


    • avatar Louise Kane says:

      Well timz
      I agree consumption could be reduced by all including myself
      Yet, at least Obama and DiCaprio advocate for policy that acknowledges carbon overloading, ocean acidification and have pushed for responsible agendas toward reducing carbon output. I don’t know what the circumstances are that did or did not require that much security but since drumpf takes every opportunity to impugn president Obama I’m betting the security is not a bad idea. On the one hand you have a president whose last days included protecting two oceans, creating several important national monuments and signing protections for Alaska predators in addition to implementing stronger pro climate change policies
      Compare to trump
      Let’s keep it in perspective shall we

  85. avatar Gary Humbard says:

    “They’ll probably just throw it right in the round file,” he said. “I’d be shocked if they even gave it consideration.”

    At least his expectations of Good ole Wyoming Fish and Game are realistic and unfortunately archaic. Of all the state agencies, this one seems to be the most predator unfriendly while still feeding elk when it’s known this causes numerous preventable problems. If ranchers cannot afford to protect their livestock and hay piles, they need to get out of the business!

    Until WF&G takes a stance that all public wildlife belongs to ALL Americans and not just Wyoming ranchers and hunters, nothing will change. Duh!


    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      She’s very lucky; she carried no water with her, and not so much as a pack of lifesavers candy in her pockets. And hiking alone. I’m very happy no bear had to be shot because of her.

  86. avatar Kathleen says:

    “Preliminary Necropsy Results Reveal Well-Known Wolf Shot”

    “MAMMOTH HOT SPRINGS, WY – Preliminary results from the necropsy of the Canyon Pack alpha female wolf showed that she suffered from a gunshot wound. Hikers discovered the mortally wounded wolf April 11, 2017, inside Yellowstone National Park near Gardiner, Montana. Park staff responded quickly to the situation and due to the severity of the wolf’s injuries, euthanized the animal. The deceased wolf was sent to the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service Forensics Laboratory in Ashland, Oregon for a necropsy. The lab has transferred the preliminary results to Yellowstone National Park.”

    Continue reading: https://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/news/17023.htm

    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      I tried to keep an open mind, and there you have it. 🙁 A buffer zone is needed here, desperately. Was this within and/or in addition to the ‘normal’ hunting season? Just wait until Wy gets going too.

      I would say that Wy’s wolf management plan belongs in the round file, and I am always glad when the native peoples stand up for wildlife.

      • avatar Ida Lupine says:

        The other question I have is did this happen in the Park? Allowing guns in National Parks is a sacrilege and a big mistake, and people blatantly flout the rules, with what looks like full approval from politicians, lawmakers and courts, regardless of party.

        A buffer zone at the north entrance to the Park is a small concession and a good compromise – so far the only compromises have been from the government and the wildlife/environmental advocates. No compromise has ever come from hunters, ranchers, gun owners. Reviewing the national monuments? Take a look here about adding a buffer zone.

        When people wanted to contribute to a wolf stamp so that they could also be included in those whose good money goes to contribute to conservation, they were shut out and the discussion tabled for who knows when, if ever.

      • avatar Kathleen says:

        Rifle season for wolves in MT ended 3/15. And it’s still illegal to discharge firearms in YNP…so any way you look at it, this looks like an illegal act of wolf persecution. The news release raises the possibility that it happened inside the park near the northern border. I’ve been on that trail…it seemed to me that it gets less use than more popular trails.

        • avatar Ida Lupine says:

          I haven’t hiked it but my husband and me have driven it, and that’s where I saw a magnificent large herd of elk, in the Mammoth Hot Springs area.

          They say this killing was estimated to have occurred between 1 am and 2 pm the next day. Maybe a security guard at the North entrance is needed at the very least!

          • avatar Kathleen says:

            Ah, when you said you’d driven it, I realized I was thinking of the Yellowstone River Trail, which is foot travel only. The ability to drive in on a backroad gives even more access to the evil-doers.

            • avatar Ida Lupine says:

              I need to go back, and soon! This was the main, paved road, and it was our last day, driving by the travertine terraces? I’m probably in the vicinity but way off. We stopped for gas in Montana, Gardiner.

          • avatar Ida Lupine says:

            We’ve hiked in other parts of the Park, but not there.

            To me, the biggest hurdle won was to get approval to bring concealed, loaded guns into the National Parks in the first place. After that, saying it’s illegal to discharge the gun is meaningless. How can that be enforced, much less even known about? It makes it so easy for poachers too. Here, the poor wolf probably was wounded enough where she could have gotten away and the evidence couldn’t be destroyed.

            One of the worst decisions ever, to me. So naïve it is dismaying.

            Here, and on the border with WY, if Trump wants a wall or a gate, I’m all for it. Why make it easy on these bums?

            • avatar Peter Kiermeir says:

              Gardiner mostly depends on Yellowstone tourism. Tourist money lets the community thrive. There are however a lot of wolf-haters around. Just walk into K-Bar, whisper “wolf”….and get out fast!
              Years ago I learned from Ralph that the term “buffer zone” should better not be used here. There was a reason, but I cannot remember. Can somebody step in?

  87. avatar Louise Kane says:

    Just think about how outrageous it is to allow killing wolves for sport under any condition and then look at the end of the season
    Just before they give birth
    How sick and twisted is that?
    Somehow these laws have to change

  88. avatar Louise Kane says:

    I should ammend that by saying during birthing period

  89. avatar Kathleen says:

    PUBLIC COMMENTS for National Monument review now open. Please note 2 different deadline dates:

    “To ensure consideration, written comments relating to the Bears Ears National Monument must be submitted before May 26, 2017. Written comments relating to all other National Monuments must be submitted before July 10, 2017.”



  90. avatar Kathleen says:

    I guess this is wildlife news…

    “Zimbabwe pastor trying to walk on water at the Crocodile River gets eaten by 3 crocodiles”


  91. avatar Nancy says:

    “Clovis advised Trump on agricultural issues during his presidential campaign and is currently the senior White House advisor within the USDA, a position described by The Washington Post as “Trump’s eyes and ears” at the agency.

    Clovis was also responsible for recruiting Carter Page, whose ties to Russia have become the subject of intense speculation and scrutiny, as a Trump foreign policy advisor”


    • avatar Kathleen says:

      “…compared the move to appointing someone without a medical background to lead the National Institutes of Health.”

      OR, appointing someone who has never been a teacher or administrator or even a public school student to be secretary of education. Qualifications are irrelevant in TrumpWorld. SMH.

    • avatar Immer Treue says:

      Perhaps while Trump is at it, in regard to agriculture, he can appoint a Lysenko surrogate.
      That would fit his agenda perfectly.

    • avatar Kathleen says:

      Yesterday’s Washington Post: “Under Trump, inconvenient data is being sidelined”

      Includes a link to a page titled “How Trump is rolling back Obama’s legacy: During President Trump’s first year in office, Congress and his administration plan to review, revoke and overwrite key parts of his predecessor’s domestic legacy. As of May 12, here are the Obama-era rules and regulations impacted by:” and it goes on to list the executive actions, legislation, and other methods used to take the country backwards.


      • avatar Nancy says:

        Loved this in the comment section:

        “George Orwell would be proud of this manipulation of data. However, there is no truth to the rumor that an Executive Order has been signed to change all the White House calendars to the year 1984. Still, such an order to change the White House calendars to 1952 is under serious consideration”

  92. avatar Kathleen says:

    “What Animals Taught Me About Being Human”
    “Surrounding myself with animals to feel less alone was a mistake: The greatest comfort is in knowing their lives are not about us at all.”

    A personal essay in the NYTimes magazine.

  93. avatar louise kane says:

    Hello all,

    A couple of weeks ago I posted a petition that I had been working on as part of a strategy to
    1) Move the Cape Cod National Seashore to ban carnivore hunting
    2) Ask the seashore to hire dr. Jon Way who is a carnivore biologist who already works at the park as a ranger. Jon also has recently acquired permits to study coyotes on park land. The study is similar to Doug Smith’s permit that allowed him to study wolves in Yellowstone. This is good timing as there are 4 vacancies open and Jon already works there.
    3) Obtain a face to face meeting with the seashore and local scientists and advocates
    4) Present the seashore with a petition and a sign on letter

    Since then, a short story was published in the Cape Cod Times. I will also be contacting the Boston Globe and working to finish the sign on letter and obtain more petition signatures.

    If you haven’t already please consider signing and sharing

    I will be sending a sign on letter similar to the one many of you signed in 2014

    I intend to keep chipping away at this

    Thank you
    Louise Kane

    Gary Hubbard you asked for update
    also a radio story was done on our local staton 91.5 of all places on conservative radio show! I’ll continue to update if folks are interested.

  94. avatar louise kane says:


    link to comments on federal register notice on review of monuments

    This administration sucks….

  95. avatar Gary Humbard says:

    I know this is no surprise to most of us on this site but great article on wildlife viewing from Jackson Hole.

    2013 government shutdown which I think lasted for ~one week, cost his business $60,000.00 and it occurred during the end of October and early November (end of peak season).


  96. avatar Kathleen says:

    “7 western senators object to suspension of BLM councils:
    Michael Bennet calls advisory boards ‘invaluable’ for community input”

    Excerpt: “The Trump administration’s decision to suspend the Bureau of Land Management’s citizen advisory boards has drawn criticism from those who say the councils were one of the few ways to engage with federal land managers.”


    • avatar rork says:

      explains a bit more (it’s a useful site sometimes).
      Administration is reviewing monuments and will be making other decisions about land use in the coming days. Might be convenient to not have locals making as much news or have opinions.
      Interior spokeswoman’s lies are beautifully Orwellian. They need to review the charge of these boards you see, “to maximize feedback”. So they need to close them for awhile.
      Like Spicer, she may be wondering why we don’t just believe them when they tell us what their logic is.

      • avatar Kathleen says:

        Very good article…thanks.

        “”The Trump administration and Interior Secretary Zinke talk a big game about including Western communities in decision-making on public lands, but this action proves it’s nothing more than talk. They are shutting out input from communities just as the administration takes unprecedented steps toward wiping national monuments from the map.””
        ~Greg Zimmerman, deputy director of the Center for Western Priorities

        • avatar Gary Humbard says:

          As a former career BLM forester from western Oregon; the agencies’ decisions are derived mainly from Land Use Plans (LUPs) where the public is heavily involved, federal laws such as the ESA, Clean Air and Water Acts, the NEPA and policies specific to BLM.

          Although I rarely attended RAC meetings, the ones I attended were not critical to the everyday functioning of the agency and overall the employees were not made aware of them.

          Right now the biggest problem is a hiring freeze as the agency needs to fill some critical vacancies. Of course with anything that is urgent, there are ways around by hiring private contractors but it’s not as effective as an agency employee.

  97. avatar Immer Treue says:

    Having recently completed (over period of a couple of years) my collection of Stephen J Gould essays on evolution and it’s driving force, natural selection, it was time to dust off another book for morning reading along with the rising sun and two mugs of eye opener, post the morning dog walk.

    What better volume to dig into than Kenneth R Miller’s “It’s Only a Theory”.

    Miller talks about science in the United States during the books beginning, and a certain phrase really caught my attention for two reasons. One obvious reason would be 45’s administration’s seeming callous disregard for science, but also the work of Robert Wielgus and Jon Way.

    Here is the statement. “Science, first and foremost, is a revolutionary activity. A genuinely new discovery changes our view of the world around us. truly great science overturns our accepted ideas of nature, and therefore always provides a threat to the natural order. To be effective in science a young investigator has to feel free to contradict and even to disrespect scientific authority.”

    Here is the most important phrase of this statement.

    “He or she has to be bold (or foolish) enough to do work that flies in the face of existing ideas, and then must be willing to set his or her career on the line to continue that research.”

    The continuing saga of Wielgus

    and the continual problems faced by Jon Way, an individual who for a while graced the pages of TWN with his ideas and studies in regard to coy-wolves and coyotes are good examples of Miller’s above passage.

    • avatar Louise Kane says:

      So true

      • avatar Immer Treue says:

        An interesting essay, in particular in regard to the current political divisions in our country.

        I feel Gould’s strengths in his essays reflected the strategies of a great teacher. He was not remiss to use the strength of analogy to drive home the meat and potatoes of his ideas.

        As an avowed baseball nerd, Gould dedicated an entire volume “Triumph and Tradgedy in Mudville a Lifelong Passion for Baseball” as an interface between baseball and science.

        As I have read all the volumes currently in my possession, I continue to search for volumes misplaced or loaned out and never returned such as “The Mismeasure of Man” and “Ontogeny and Philogeny”. His essays are pleasant ways to fire up a sluggish brain during the transition between sleep and the daily routines of ones life.

  98. avatar Immer Treue says:

    What’s a bigger problem to some Oregon ranchers, wolves or elk?


    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      Wolves, elk, birds, bees, butterflies and other pollinators, weeds wildflowers, it’s always something, isn’t it. It’s getting to a point where the entire house of cards is falling down.

  99. avatar Kathleen says:

    “Isolated caribou herd in Quebec set to relocate to a zoo:
    Conservation biologists say the Quebec government has failed to explore other options that would keep the herd wild”

    Excerpt: “Martin-Hugues St-Laurent, a caribou specialist and professor at la Université du Québec à Rimouski, has openly dissented to the decision, and questions the science behind it. “It’s kind of crazy that they decided something that’s not necessarily based on science,” he said.

    “St-Laurent wants to see an analysis conducted in which different conservation strategies for the herd are modeled to see what will work, and what will not. “I have the only lab that can do that,” he said, adding that the Quebec government has yet to come to him. “For the Val D’Or herd, we really need that kind of analysis done.””


  100. avatar Kathleen says:

    “Washington loses fight, might pay up to $2B to save salmon”

    Excerpt: “”This is a win for salmon, treaty rights and everyone who lives here,” Lorraine Loomis, chair of the Northwest Indian Fisheries Commission, said in a statement. The group represents 21 tribes in western Washington that challenged the state over the culverts in 2001, part of decades-long litigation over tribal fishing rights.”


  101. avatar Gary Humbard says:

    This is what happens when people decide to mess with nature. I realize some think feeding wild animals can be justified but I will NEVER feed wildlife.


    • avatar Nancy says:

      Can’t remind our species enough about our use of chemicals:


      • avatar louise kane says:

        “Estimates suggest that destroying them could cost anything up to $70bn.”

        lets see spend money on cleaning up something that prevents species from reproducing and causes extinction and has unknown health impacts for humans or build a useless, mind boggling asinine, divisive wall for about the same amount?

        anyhow this is like round up that ever pervasive gift that keeps on killing and is still on the shelves.

        what stupidity humans are capable of is appalling.

  102. avatar Kathleen says:

    “Hunting Big Game: Why People Kill Animals for Fun”

    Excerpt: “Why should anyone spend money to protect an animal that a wealthy American can then pay to go kill?”


  103. avatar Kathleen says:


    The text reads that comments are due BEFORE May 26, 2017–does that means tomorrow, May 25th at 11:59pm ET? Seems to me a particularly confusing way to state a deadline, but maybe that’s the point. So if you haven’t commented, please get your comment in tomorrow (Thurs.) to be on the safe side!

    More confusion: At the “comment now” button, it states that the deadline is July 10, but that’s for the remainder of the nat’l monuments, excluding Bears Ears.


  104. avatar Nancy says:

    Its gone viral. Special Election is today. The sad news is, a lot of people have already cast absentee ballots.

    How much you wanna bet, Trump offers him a position in his administration if he loses the election?


  105. avatar Kropotkin_Man says:

    Anyone have information on the Park Service’s plans to shoot bison in Grand Canyon NP? There’s talk of bringing in “special hunters” to cull the herd on the North Rim. I’m not opposed to hunting but would prefer to see wolves or lions do the job. So far (that I’m aware of)the park has not made plans for the reintroduction of wolves. Anyone with more info on this please post!

  106. avatar Immer Treue says:


    Damn Wyoming. If not for that mistake of a state, most of the wolf BS in the NRM would have been over long ago, and wolves would still be subject to hunting/trapping seasons.

    • avatar louise kane says:

      These wolves that have not been hunted are sitting ducks. The whole thing reeks. Their enthusiastic description of a “whole new way of managing wolves’ makes me physically ill. Managing forth lowest population number but then again there is no valid management reason to trophy hunt wolves. Its a bizarre sickness to kill wolves for sport.

      • avatar rork says:

        I agree that having the minimum required numbers being the only goal in sight is depressing. Sounds a bit like we only have wolves cause the national government says we have to.

        • avatar Ida Lupine says:

          That’s exactly what it is. It isn’t based on science or what’s best for genetic diversity of the species, but on ‘But you said we only had to have 100!” based on the initial reintroduction, and stubbornly holding to that. Based on emotion.

      • avatar Ida Lupine says:

        I know, it’s still the same old eradication plan disquised in livestock’s clothing. You have to wonder just how it all got approved by the courts.

        I did note that if they go below this magic number, which is entirely possible given their zeal, their ‘management’ will be revoked. I hope there are those who will pay close attention.

        • avatar Ida Lupine says:

          “To avoid having its management powers revoked again Game and Fish must maintain at least 100 wolves and 10 breeding partners at the end of each calendar year outside of Yellowstone and Grand Teton National Park.

          It must have 150 wolves, including 15 breeding partners, in the state, including the national parks and the Trophy Game Management Area.”

          Who’s countin’? And I wonder if a buffer zone around the parks will assist them in their noble goal.

    • avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

      Since wolves were reintroduced to Wyoming in 1995 the wolf population has nearly reached its sustainable carrying capacity

      380 wolves = carrying capacity ?

      Mills reported a “record number” of cattle depredations last year — almost 150 — and sheep depredations, and 113 wolves were killed in control actions by or at the direction of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.


      Accounting for the number of pups born each spring Game and Fish estimated the ideal population to meet standards is 160 wolves. According to its data and prevalent population studies, 40 deaths a year would stabilize the population at 210 wolves. An additional 50 mortalities would reduce the population to 160 wolves and 14 breeding partners, providing room for margin of error.

      With roughly 48 wolves estimated to die each year from nonhunting human causes, the hunting quota for 2017 is recommended to be 42 wolves.

      • avatar Louise Kane says:

        Yeah carrying capacity in one of the largest states with millions of acres of public land

        Pretzel logic
        Always biased against wildlife, especially predators

        This world hard to understand even worse with the confederacy of dunces at the helm with the idiotic GOP climate deniers cheering in the bleachers for every play that hurts all Americans and tbe global community

        I despise them for their shortsighted greed and traitorous actions against the environment, wildlife, tbe oceans and humans

      • avatar Ida Lupine says:

        42 is hardly worth the trouble. Of course, we know there will be more. Do they account for poaching in their ‘margin of error’? Which as we know is a pretty wide margin. LOL and of course to justify their actions, there is a ‘record number’ of cattle depredations.

        As far as climate change, I’m not sure Paris talks are worth anything, with wasteful travel and talk of ‘eating smaller steaks’. It isn’t enough. The time for ‘talking’ is long past, and the time for ‘doing’ is well at hand – this means to me for people to make the individual choices (and difficult sacrifices) that I am not sure people want to make.

  107. avatar Kathleen says:


    “Silent but deadly: Texas will allow hunters to kill pigs from hot air balloons:
    State senate passes bill to permit aerial targeting of hogs and coyotes from quieter alternative to helicopters to outwit ‘smart’ feral animals, says GOP lawmaker”


    • avatar louise kane says:

      The whole system of wildlife management is WTF to me

      endless killing under the guise of management
      with so little habitat and few animals why are wildlife agencies in the business of killing instead of conservation?

      • avatar rork says:

        For the pigs at least, I have an answer, for coyotes not so much. I’m skeptical how important this is – might be mostly hot air. I figure it’s a plug for the balloon industry more than wildlife management, but I could be wrong.

  108. avatar Kathleen says:

    “Redmond man who shot caged cougar loses hunting rights”

    “It seemed like such an egregious situation for him to have received such a mild penalty for such a heinous crime,’ said Dan Paul, Washington director of The Humane Society of the United States.


    • avatar rork says:

      If hunting wolves and cranes threatened them with extinction she might have a point. We don’t hunt cranes in MI, at least not yet, but if we ever do, it will be because we protected them well enough that we have hundreds of thousands where just a few were before. People who shoot cranes eat them.
      It’s really bad that someone supposedly on my side strings together a mess of illogical unconnected arguments and just plain old silly strawman stuff like the wolf+crane mount. Some hunters argue that all environmentalists are nutty, and can point at people like this.

      • avatar Louise Kane says:

        Have you read the sixth extinction
        One of the subtle points made over and over in the book pertained to how humans are linked to extinctions and how they took place sometimes quickly and sometimes over hundreds of years. Extinctions occurred generally from over hunting of species that were once numerous.

        Humans are isolating populations of wildlife including wolves making it impossible for them to migrate successfully
        Obviously there are exceptions but what chance does a wolf have in Idaho or Montana and now Wyoming? What does hunting do to wolves? Recent research suggests chronic stress and long lasting detrimental

        What is it that we hope to achieve through “management”

        Is it only to ensure hunting rights and a steady supply of animals to kill, or should we be looking to boost populations and seek greater biodiversity and the ability for species to be successful outside of the few spaces we allocate?

        You may not agree with patrica Randolph or the way she presents her argument but she believes as many do that wildlife management is corrupted and actually works hard to change the system

        When people have learned to think one way because it has always been so, even when that way may no longer has merit resistance is easily marked as lunatic or fringe

        That is how animal rights activists have come to be labeled as extremist

        I’ve seen that patricia correctly calls out trapping, snaring, hounding wolves, buying commissions and politicians, exclusion of wildlife advocates from the decision making process and general corruption in policy making.

        I’ve yet to see one argument that I think legitimizes trophy hunting.

        Anyhow, the concerns Randolph raises especially in Wisconsin have a lot of merit in my mind regardless of whether you agree with the presentation

        • avatar Louise Kane says:

          And some may argue that all hunters are vile …

          with some excellent examples to illustrate irrational hatred of particular species and or desire to kill for “sport”

          That is nutty to me

        • avatar rork says:

          It’s telling you said nothing about cranes, and their spectacular resurgence – there are tons near me. Is eating cranes “trophy hunting” – your overused intentionally vague term.
          I’m against many of the things you mention, but try to use only good arguments, and do not appreciate others using silly ones – cause it harms my cause.

          • avatar Louise Kane says:

            http://blogs.mprnews.org/statewide/2010/07/the_sandhill_crane_is_now_the_ribeye_of_the_sky/Read the comments under this article for and against crane hunting
            I think they are very telling especially the first

            One commenter said just because they are “recovered” does that mean they must be shot

            I guess I stand in that camp
            I’m also question the term recovered and whether or not allowing hunting will lead down the same road

            Another person questioned how the whooping crane could be protected

            killing migratory birds seems a bad practice
            By the time they get here they are so freaked they squawk and panic at the slightest movement
            I hate seeing them stressed and stuck down rivers trying to find shelter in the storm from relentless hunting
            But I digress

            Anyhow in a purely anectodal way these comments seem very familiar
            Pro hunting trophy or otherwise
            Killing legitimized because the population is over minimum threshold
            Crop or livestock damage
            Just cause
            Just cause libtards, tree huggers ir couch potatoes don’t know what they are talking about
            Badly stated rationale or none

            Concern for wildlife
            Concern for pain or stress
            Against because they see animals as more than food or for human sport
            Consideration of issues surrounding management and lack of precautionary or adaptive management principles being applied
            And reactionary as well

            Interesting how nothing is ever noted about how supremely idiotic and short sighted it is that humans manage species using their own flawed interpretations of carrying capacity yet we do such a miserable job of managing our own invasive species

            I realize we often agree on many issues
            I see the trigger point not only as presentation but the issue of hunting

            I don’t see it as a right for humans to kill other species especially when there are so many of us and relatively so few of them and when we gobble up tbeir hsbitats and chase them mercilessly with every technological advantage possible

  109. avatar Nancy says:

    Not exactly wildlife news but I had the pleasure of meeting Elk 275 this past weekend. He’s “threatened” in the past to stop by Smile and I’m glad he finally did. Enjoyed the visit, Elk!

    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      🙂 Very nice.

    • avatar Elk375 says:

      Nancy, I enjoyed the visit,also. You live your dreams in one of the most beautiful valleys in Montana. Nancy is the real deal everyone.

    • avatar Jeremy B. says:

      I’m still annoyed that I missed him back in 2014 when I was visiting. Alas.

    • avatar Louise Kane says:

      Nancy thanks for posting this
      Here on cape cod I wonder is this is part of what we have been seeing with the big die offs of oak and even white pine
      Last year, in particular, theviaks were ravaged by a disease that took root because we had an extremely dry spring. We lost huge swaths of large oaks and white pines.
      If these species are migrating west and north, taking advantage of conditions more favorable for their growth o wonder if the author noted which species may be filling the niches that are voided? He does not note.

      With such rapid change normally seen over millennia we might hope that our officials would be using precautionary approaches to avoid rapid climate change

      But that would require sacrifice, intelligence and commitment

      None of which this administration can be accused of

      On another note
      Wonderful you got to spend time with elk
      You are certainly the “real deal” as I suspect is elk despite our at times heated exchanges

  110. avatar timz says:

    Baiting, how very sportsman like. At least the bear got in a few licks.

    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      I also notice that a couple stories have stated that the animals poached or otherwise hunted have been old (rhino in Namibia, white wolf in Yellowstone, and now this bear). I guess that is supposed to be a mitigating factor? 🙁

      I hope it doesn’t become a trend!

      • avatar Louise Kane says:

        Trophy hunting is a trend already
        At least among a minority of “sportsmen”
        It’s all about bragging rights and tbe thrill of a kill so selecting the most desirable, well loved, most recognized, largest, smallest, most Rare is tbe objective

      • avatar Louise Kane says:

        She says her husband is the bravest man she has ever known
        Shooting an old bear over a bait pile is revolting
        Until all of us start objecting loudly to current wildlife policies that promote and allow hounding, calling, trapping, trophy hunting earth is hell for wildlife
        Many people are unaware of the hellish practices unleashed on wild animals
        Cowardice and unconscionable

        • avatar rork says:

          Calling is not usually hellish or cowardly and it spoils your argument so try to omit that. Imagine what a duck hunter might think. (Electronic calls should be illegal in my opinion though.)

          • avatar Louise Kane says:

            I stand corrected
            Calling is not hellish
            The result is
            Much of what I read on predator hunting is the use of electronic calls to bait coyotes that think they are hearing another distressed coyote
            I stand by my assertion that the cumulative impacts of hunting coyotes using the various methods makes life hellish for them and other predators

  111. avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

    thanks again Ron Meador!

    Recreational shooters are carrying a lot of lead in their blood, analysis shows


  112. avatar louise kane says:

    Think your voice can’t be heard
    petition and outrage spare three bear cubs and mother


  113. avatar rork says:

    For those of us following every moose article, this one paints a picture of northern NH that makes it seem almost all about ticks. They admit there is brain worm elsewhere, but not underlying causes, or heat stress. One group is proposing reducing the moose population as a means of decreasing ticks, to benefit the remaining moose. Others are skeptical. I want more data. Perhaps an experiment is warranted though.

    • avatar Immer Treue says:

      Couple of things going on, in general perspective. As things appear to be warming, in general, most folks don’t recognize it, a bit like the frog in slowly heated water. These ticks may An example the handwriting on the wall that we are on a very slippery slope. Yet, if one looks at Isle Royale (no deer)where ticks are plentiful, even with the presence of wolves (at least in the past) moose have done well.

      As one who enjoys venison, and not opposed to hunting for food, I do question the need/desire/sanity of managing wildlife for highest possible yield. Is it ecologically healthy? With the spread of CWD, brainworm, liver flukes, Lymes disease, one must begin to scratch their head at the artificially high concentrations of native animals. Expecting predation to control this is probably not the answer, yet I do question the war on coyotes, and the trapping of mousers such as fox.

      • avatar rork says:

        Isle Royale (and the MI coast south of the Keweenaw, and Ontario north of me) are especially cold and snowy places – if near enough to Superior. I know you know – just pointing it out for others.

    • avatar alf says:

      I remember that shortly after the Ceausescus were executed, SNL commented that they were turned into “Puppy Chow Ceausescu”.
      Funny, in a rather sick way !

    • avatar Louise Kane says:

      Cattle give disease to elk and bison
      Solution is to reduce bison and elk herds
      Makes sense
      Eye roll

      Livestock are a threat to wildlife and the planet

      Apart from considerations of them as living beings that don’t deserve to be slaughtered they compact soil
      Create the all consuming desire to protect cattle and a consequebt hatred of native predators
      Foul water
      Emit methane
      Not once in tbe article did it mention a solution involving less cattle

      I wonder the outrage when they start wanting to cull elk

  114. avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

    lovely article:

    Nothing to Fear Except Fear Itself—Also Wolves and Bears

    By terrorizing island raccoons, scientists finally confirm that large predators can affect their prey through fear alone.


    For Zanette, this utopia of fearless raccoons was the perfect setting for testing how fear shapes the natural world.

    Predators kill, obviously. But even without baring a tooth or lifting a claw, they can affect their prey. Their very presence, manifesting through tracks, smells, growls and glimpses, produces a state of vigilance, apprehension, and stress. From their prey’s point of view, there will be safe areas where lines of sight are long, and danger zones where hiding places are more common and escape is trickier. The result is a landscape of fear—a psychological topography that exists in the minds of prey, complete with mountains of danger and valleys of safety.

    Meanwhile, the landscape of fear concept has since moved beyond correlative observations of wolves and elk, and into the world of experiments. In 2011, Zanette showed that song sparrows in the Gulf Islands raise 40 percent fewer chicks if they hear the calls of hawks, owls, and other predators through speakers—even if their nests are surrounded by protective nets and fences. A year later, Dror Hawlena showed that spiders with glued mouthparts can still terrify grasshoppers enough to change their metabolic rates, the chemical composition of their bodies, and the amount of nutrients they return to the soil when they die.

    Her team, including graduate student Justin Suraci, traveled to the Gulf Islands and lashed speakers to trees facing the raccoon-infested shoreline. For a month, they blasted out the sounds of either barking dogs (which kill raccoons) or seals and sea lions (which do not). For another month, they swapped. And all the while, they kept an eye on the raccoons with cameras, and combed to beach to count other tidal species.

    Their results were stark. When the raccoons heard the dogs, they became more vigilant and abandoned the shorelines, spending 66 percent less time foraging in the tidal zones. This had a huge effect on their prey. After the month of barking, the team found 81 percent more fish in the rock pools, 59 percent more worms, and 61 percent more red rock crabs. And that meant falling numbers of staghorn sculpin fish (which the crabs compete with) and periwinkle snails (which they eat). Fear rippled through the entire beach, affecting everything from raccoons to snails.

    “The experiment is elegant, inarguable, and far-reaching,” says Joel Brown from the University of Illinois at Chicago. “I shall certainly use it as a landmark example of the ecology of fear.”

    Zanette’s team is now trying to see if they can reduce populations of deer by scaring them with the sound of dogs.

    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      Isn’t that something. I wonder if something similar can be done with predators and livestock (non-lethal and non-violent of course)? One of the farms near me does something similar with his crops – a recording of birds.

  115. avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

    Ravens remember people who suckered them into an unfair deal

    Ravens, known more for their intelligence, but only slightly less for their love of cheese, were trained by researchers to trade a crust of bread for a morsel of cheese with human partners. When the birds then tried to broker a trade with “fair” and “unfair” partners—some completed the trade as expected, but others took the raven’s bread and kept (and ate) the cheese—the ravens avoided the tricksters in separate trials a month later

  116. avatar Nancy says:

    “They worry the data is too unreliable to be used to manage the population”

    I heard just a couple of days ago (from a hunter) that there are at least 3 active wolf packs in my valley. Wow! They must be joining forces!!


  117. avatar Immer Treue says:

    “Music to Ears”
    A gift from the North Country.

    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      Yes. Whenever I hear howls from coyotes or wolves, I think ‘what if we were to lose something so priceless like this’. 🙁

      • avatar Kathleen says:

        We are getting settled into our new home in southwest Colorado and hear coyotes *every* night–beautiful choruses of song dogs in the high desert night. My internet use is limited to the public library for now…hope to rejoin the discussions in the near future.

        • avatar Gary Humbard says:

          I’m not sure where you are in southwest Colorado, but I spent two great weeks hiking in the San Juan Mountains near Montrose. I tried to find one last live grizzly, as the last known great bear was killed in the late 70’s. If you are near there, I think you found the golden nugget of the west.

          • avatar Kathleen says:

            We’re near Cortez, with a killer view of Mesa Verde and Sleeping Ute Mountain. My old stomping ground is the San Juans north of Durango and also the LaPlatas, so I’m back in my element. Gary, I guess you didn’t find the last grizzly…I’ll check in the Weminuche Wilderness and let you know!

    • avatar Nancy says:

      Thanks for the reminder to watch (& listen to) this wonderful site, Immer!

  118. avatar rork says:

    Press release about Michigan Moose survey, done only on the western population. Estimate is 378. In 2015 it was 323. 2013 it was 451. 2014 and 2015 were our bad winters. They did not complete the usual survey and think there might be over 420 now. Deer are nearly excluded in some of the western upper peninsula – too much snow. Result is encouraging for me. Note the estimates are counting from planes and then adjusting – I’m not sure of the accuracy or precision, but expect neither is the best.

    We initially transplanted moose from Isle Royale in the 30’s but it failed (poaching, high deer densities after logging). In the 80’s our dear friends from Ontario gave us the ancestors of most of our current moose.

    • avatar rork says:

      They are the large, vicious Canadian moose you’ve heard about, not like the gentle little ones we had before.

  119. avatar Ida Lupine says:

    Wildlife watch: I was out in the yard today checking on an old birdhouse I had. No birds, but bumblebees are in it now. It’s probably too good to be true that they could be the rusty patched, but fingers crossed! There’s a couple of different types in the garden. It’s in the 90’s here today and they were fanning the hive to keep it cool. I’d never seen that up so close and it is fascinating to see!

    • avatar Kathleen says:

      I haven’t learned the bee species in southwest CO yet but some of the biggest honkin’ bumblebees I’ve ever seen are here! Oh, and cottontails…not sure if they’re mountain, desert, or both, but we have darling babies! We have lizards (again, don’t know what kind–we still aren’t hooked up to the internet at home and have to use the library in Cortez), many birds, and saw one mule deer thus far. The moving van with our stuff arrived just yesterday (12 days after WE arrived), so now I can set up water stations, hummer feeders, etc. Haven’t seen a bat yet, which is both surprising and disappointing. Fingers crossed that your bees are rusty patched!

      • avatar Ida Lupine says:

        That sounds great! Congrats on your new home and enjoy! I was checking my humming bird feeders and saw the bees – this year we seemed to have giant bumblers too, and then the smaller ones, and this one seems to have a spot on its abdomen, brown not rusty. But they are adorable.

  120. avatar Kathleen says:

    “Wise elk learn to outsmart hunters and tell apart their weapons”

    You go, girls!


    • avatar Louise Kane says:

      This is not surprising
      I find it quite tragic that humans so radically alter species habits that most animals have become nocturnal
      Coyotes, fox and raccoon are thought to be nocturnal so much so that seeing them in daylight often creates fear that they are rabid
      But In fact they are just avoiding humans and the myriad ways we might harm them by moving at night. Imagine a world for humans where we were hunted near year round trying to navigate arrows, bullets, traps and snares that were set by a species that had gps, phones, cameras, snowmobiles boats and cars to track us down

      We have created a hell on earth for most species

  121. avatar Kathleen says:

    Trump Administration Scraps New Protection For Endangered Whales, Sea Turtles

    Excerpt: “It hasn’t been a good week for America’s endangered species. The Trump administration has been taking aim at protections for some of the country’s most vulnerable creatures: Last week, it was the imperiled sage grouse; this week, it’s endangered whales and sea turtles off the Pacific Coast.”


    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      This is just shocking to me, I really am speechless. I think swordfish is also a threatened/endangered species? And then reading about the wolf killings in MN. And then the rationale for doing it in both cases! We are hopeless, I think. I really don’t think we have learned from the mistakes of the past, and will continue to make them until fish/whales/turtles etc. are gone. 🙁

  122. avatar Kathleen says:

    Apologies if already posted.
    “Feds trap and kill two grey wolves near Glyndon, Minn.”


  123. avatar Ida Lupine says:

    Isn’t this awesome? Bringing the message about climate change, without fossil fuels. I’ve always thought traditional navigation was fascinating:


  124. avatar Yvette says:

    I’ve not been in here much lately so but I didn’t see this posted when I did a quick check.


    First, good work to the WA wildlife officers that caught the poachers.

    Just no regard whatsoever to the lives they stole.

  125. avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

    “A little blood satisfies a lot of anger” – Ed Bangs

    historical snapshot from Latvia’s wolf management 2001, page 3:

    “From 1995 till 1999, the premium(bounty)of amount up to 75 LVL was paid by State Forest Service for killing a wolf regardless of its age, sex or hunting means”

    75 LVL = $ 125

    to put it context – minimum wage per month in LV was 28 LVL (1995); 38 LVL (1996); 42 LVL (1998); 50 LVL (1999)


    • avatar Louise Kane says:

      Bangs got it wrong
      He might have said it takes a lot of blood to satisfy the few

      Too many wolves killed to placate a minority voice who somehow have hijaked the system

      • avatar Ida Lupine says:

        I know; it seems to make them insatiable. I always think of a movie entitled ‘Blood Simple’, when I hear or read comments like this about hunting. I just cringe when I read the assurances about how all the ‘management’ is supposed to never go wrong.

        Why do these people have so much influence, you have to wonder.

        • avatar Ida Lupine says:

          The film’s title derives from the Dashiell Hammett novel Red Harvest (1929), in which the term “blood simple” describes the addled, fearful mindset of people after a prolonged immersion in violent situations. – Wikipedia

  126. avatar Nancy says:

    Go toads! 🙂


    From an article written 8 years ago, regarding the status of Montana’s amphibians:

    “The inventories suggest that amphibians in a variety of elevations, habitat types and areas of disturbance appear to be in decline”

    Wonder how those inventories are doing now?


  127. avatar Kathleen says:

    Are the national parks doing enough to get through to tourist about how to behave around bears? Thank goodness Glacier took the bears’ side in this instance and closed an incredibly popular hiking trail!

    “Grizzly bears converge on Avalanche Lake, trigger trail closure in Glacier Park”

    Excerpt: “On Saturday, the park rangers received a credible report of a group of people nearly completely surrounding a grizzly bear along Avalanche Lake, causing the bear to swim out into the lake to create distance between itself and the crowd.”


    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      Yes. Glad to hear this.

      There were a couple of incidents in Alaska, one at a wilderness bike race. I read something to the effect of official are ‘looking into what can be done’. Maybe not go alone in wilderness or court disaster by having races there? But no one has any plans to stop doing it. And sensational headlines don’t help.


      And of course, it’s and away we go for the season at Yellowstone with incidents – stepping off the designated boardwalks.

      • avatar Kathleen says:

        “rogue bears” –of course. Find a way to subtly or not-so-subtly put the bears at fault rather than those interloping in their home.

        • avatar rork says:

          Not being scared of humans, or acting aggressively without being provoked, is very rare for black bears. You sound a bit like attacks should be expected. Such bears can be repeatedly “unusual”. In Ontario they say “crazy” instead, and think of them like insane humans, which are also fairly rare but exist. They are the ones we are scared of – with the others it’s enough to just not be seriously stupid.

          • avatar Ida Lupine says:

            I don’t think anyone can say with absolute certainty what wildlife will do. That’s the problem. We should not give people a false sense of security by assuming what is normal wildlife behavior and what isn’t. We can’t even do that with our own behavior. I think an animal of any kind will strike out when provoked.

            While I wouldn’t say attacks should ‘expected’ exactly, I would say anticipated and to plan accordingly. Aww hell, I’ll say they should be expected.

          • avatar alf says:

            My only two adverse contacts with bears were with black bears : Once in Jasper or Banff National Park in Canada, and the other in Bowron Lakes Provincial Park in British Columbia. Both bears were obviously habituated to humans.

            The one and only grizzly I’ve seen outside Yellowstone was in the Bob Marshall Wilderness in Montana. As soon as it caught our scent, it stood up on its hind legs, took a couple sniffs, then dropped down to all four, and turned around and made tracks in the opposite direction as fast as it could.

            Chuck Jonkel, the late University of Montana bear biologist, once told me that for every bear you see, there are probably a couple dozen that scent you first, and get out of your way.

    • avatar louise kane says:

      Thanks for posting, as one who has gotten lyme disease and know many with chronic lyme, the authors assertion that, “ticks may be responsible for modulating the immune system in ways not imagined” rings true. I wonder what these diseases are doing to mammals?

  128. avatar Kathleen says:

    Has the extension of the public comment period for the Bears Ears Nat’l Monument review been noted on this forum? The deadline is now July 10th, same as the comment period for all the other NMs under review. One suspects that they got too many pro-Bears Ears comments…
    From Friends of Cedar Mesa: https://www.friendsofcedarmesa.org/defendbearsears/

    and since that doesn’t link directly to the government comment portal, here it is: https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=DOI-2017-0002-0001

  129. avatar Kathleen says:

    This should be of great interest to many participants on this forum: “FISH AND WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT ON FEDERAL LANDS:

    From the Bolle Center for People and Forests (U. of Montana):

    “The authority and responsibility for managing fish and wildlife on federal lands and in federally designated wilderness is often a source of controversy. Conflicts between federal and state governments in the management of wildlife on federal lands have intensified in recent years. Consider, for example, recent decisions by the National Park Service and Fish and Wildlife Service to preempt Alaska’s hunting regulations and predator control measures that were in conflict with National Park and Refuge laws (and the use of the Congressional Review Act to rescind one of these rules in March, 2017). Other examples include predator killing contests on lands managed by the U.S. Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management, wolf control in federally designated wilderness areas, and controversy surrounding hunting and trapping on private inholdings within Grand Teton National Park.”

    The Bolle Ctr. has undertaken “an authoritative review of the legal and policy context of wildlife management on federal lands with the objective of providing a more common understanding amongst federal and state agencies.” It will be published this fall in ‘Environmental Law,’ Vol. 47, no. 4 (2017).

    To say that the agencies are displeased is putting it mildly, and the states must be absolutely apoplectic:

    “The common claim that “states own wildlife”—full stop—is incomplete, misleading and needlessly deepens divisions between federal and state governments. The claim is especially dubious when states assert ownership as a basis to challenge federal authority over wildlife on federal lands. State assertions of wildlife ownership are subordinate to the federal government’s statutory and trust obligations over federal lands and their integral resources, including wildlife.” (from the 3-pg. briefing paper, June 2017)

    Access the 3-page briefing paper or the entire article here: http://www.cfc.umt.edu/bolle/perspectives/wildlife-2017.php

    • avatar alf says:

      This almost sounds too good to be true. But let’s be careful of what we wish for. It’ll surely generate a huge public firestorm, and our fine, highly intelligent, special interest-serving kongress will then almost certainly weigh in and “clarify” the situation — in favor of “states’ rights”, of course, science be damned. I think I can almost guarantee that John Tester, Greg Gianforte, and the Idaho delegation will lead the charge.

      Pardon my cynicism.

    • avatar louise kane says:

      Kathleen thank you for posting this. I’m about to meet with National Park officials in Cape Cod to challenge predator hunting. Ive been thinking about the meeting and the claims by the park that they are subordinate to state rules, which I know to be a weak and lazy response to legitimate questions we raise. This is very helpful

  130. avatar alf says:

    Yellowstone Grizzly Bear to Lose Endangered Species Protection
    By JIM ROBBINSJUNE 22, 2017
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    A grizzly bear in Hayden Valley in Yellowstone National Park in Wyoming. Credit Jim Urquhart/Reuters
    HELENA, Mont. — After 42 years on the Endangered Species list, the Yellowstone grizzly bear — whose numbers have grown to more than 700 from fewer than 150 — will lose its protected status, the Interior Department announced on Thursday.

    The controversial move has long been debated, despite the bear’s increasing population in areas where it had not been seen in decades. The Fish and Wildlife Service tried to delist the bear in 2007, but was ordered by federal court decisions to reconsider its analysis because of a decline in white bark pine, a key bear food source that has been decimated by insects partly because of warmer temperatures in the region.

    In making the decision to lift the protection, Ryan Zinke, the secretary of the interior, remarked on the long-term efforts that have allowed the bear to thrive: “This achievement stands as one of America’s great conservation successes; the culmination of decades of hard work and dedication on the part of state, tribal, federal and private partners,” Mr. Zinke said in a statement. “As a Montanan I am proud of what we’ve achieved together.”

    This action will not affect the other major population of grizzlies in the lower 48 states, those that live in and around Glacier National Park of Montana, which number about 1,000. However, experts say this population too could soon be delisted.

    Continue reading the main story

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    After a Comeback, New Challenges for Yellowstone’s Grizzly Bears MAY 2, 2016

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    The Future of Grizzly Bears MARCH 4, 2016
    Opinion Editorial
    Counting Bears JULY 7, 2013

    A Shifting Approach to Saving Endangered Species OCT. 5, 2015

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    The rule to remove the Yellowstone bear from the endangered list will be published in the federal register sometime in the near future and take effect 30 days after that.

    Eliminating threatened species protection under the Endangered Species Act paves the way for Montana, Idaho and Wyoming to take over responsibility for the big bear from federal managers outside the park. That means fewer restrictions on the bear’s management — it could be shot by landowners if it’s stalking cattle for instance — and will likely include a hunting season for grizzlies. Bears within the boundaries the national park will remain a federal responsibility and will not be hunted, unless they leave Yellowstone.

    Delisting the big bruin, or Ursus arctos horribilis, is opposed by a number of conservation groups and Native American tribes who say climate change has cast the Yellowstone region into ecological uncertainty and could lead to problems for the bear in the future.

    “We have to wait 60 days, but on the 61st day we will sue to stop the delisting,” said Matt Bishop, of the Western Environmental Law Center, a Montana based nonprofit that intervenes on behalf of conservation groups.

    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      The bear isn’t thriving. Arrrrgggg I hate spin. Grizzlies have just ‘bearly’ recovered, and their food supply is a big question mark.

    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      From our favorite Congressman Raul Grijalva, a press release re grizzly delisting:

      Yellowstone Grizzly Delisting Ignores Science and Disrespects Tribes

    • avatar Louise Kane says:

      I’m wondering how many comments received in the federal register and now many opposed
      I’d like to see a revision of the esa forbidding trophy hunting of species thT have been listed like wolves snd beArs
      Such a gross tragic thing to do

    • avatar Peter Kiermeir says:

      It took surprisingly long from the first whisperings about delisting. But finally it´s reality. Didn´t we all know that it will come? Well, when will the first Grizzly be killed by an overenthusiastic hunter, finally allowed to harvest a Griz in the lower 48´s? Any offer?

  131. avatar Nancy says:


    Some good comments with this article.

    About a month ago, just up the valley from me, a black bear (just out of hibernation) decided to test the windows on a neighbor’s cabin. It decided not to be driven off by the owner (who banged pots & pans, and fired off a few gunshot rounds, in it’s general direction)

    I heard some other “thoughtful” neighbor came to the rescue and it was shot, because hey, after all, it was black bear season. (Not to be confused with black berry picking, season)

    This same neighbor (a few years ago) got frightened by a mountain lion that appeared occasionally, mostly tracks in the yard, around their home. A local came in with their hounds and tracked this lion down and it was also shot.

    I guess my thought is, if you love the idea of living close to (or in) wild areas, be prepared FOR the wildlife that share the area, to come calling on occasion.

    And, get in tune with what their needs might be at the time – whether its ground squirrels invading your garden or a black bear, testing how well your home stands up to “hey, I’m just looking for a quick meal and something has got me checking YOU out!” Maybe a birdfeeder? Or tossing scraps out for that really cute little fox that comes by on occasion?

    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      Hey, you don’t want to challenge the King of the Forest, do ya? *eyeroll*

      This is why F&W and scientists need to be a bit less coddling about potential ‘conflicts’ with wildlife, whether due to natural curiosity or defending their turf from humans.

  132. avatar rork says:

    is Michigan deer harvest report for last fall. They make us wait forever. 586K hunters tagged (= killed and recovered) 350K deer. Of interest to me was 322K bow hunters tagged 125K deer, and to my shock 60% of those now use cross-bow, and shot 59% of the deer, so not all of them suck. As I posted to my local sportsman blog (I’ve been intruding, slyly challenging ideas here and there, but not too much) I was also shocked that upper peninsula buck kill went up from 17K to 20K, which however must be a mistake cause the wolves will soon extirpate the species. I was perhaps too subtle cause I’m not sure people understood I had a sprinkle of sarcasm in there. Instead, I predicted 24K to be tagged this fall, and one person thought it would be much more.
    I was in the 3.1% of people obtaining 3 or more, but some hunters mostly go for antlers (2 bucks max) or don’t want that much meat.

  133. avatar Immer Treue says:

    Deer permit area changes in NE Minnesota, largely to try and help moose.


    Over the past few years it had become more and more obvious that the shrinking moose numbers in MN had much more to do with deer than wolves. Sure, wolves had an impact on the moose numbers, but deer brought in brainworm and liver flukes, which killed adult moose, therefore less breeding, and increased deer numbers helped support the wolf population.

    Also, deer feeding in SE Minnesota has been banned. This is in regard to attempting to check the spread of CWD.

    Kudos MN DNR.

  134. avatar Kathleen says:

    “No love for grizzlies: Rocky Mountain Front folks recount trials of living with bears”

    Excerpt: “I don’t like living with them,” Leanne said. “That hasn’t changed in 33 years. It’s changed the way we live. People just aren’t comfortable with it anymore. They’re a nuisance.”


    • avatar alf says:

      Maybe Leanne and John should consider moving to someplace like Iowa or Illinois, where they probably wouldn’t have to worry about anything bigger or more dangerous than a fox or coyote, or an occasional rabid bat or skunk.

    • avatar Ralph Maughan says:

      Most people I know would be happy to have go endure such “trials of living.”

  135. avatar Ida Lupine says:

    This will be the extent of states’ wildlife ‘management’. Butch Otter passed a law back in March to allow killing of grizzles that threaten domestic pets and livestock in anticipation of a delisting. There’s going to be no concern for the health and welfare of the species. ‘It’s too soon to talk about hunting’ because they don’t want a public outcry or any obstacle for the time being. For the media and agency spokespeople to put this forward and lie to the public is a real slap in the face:

    “The Idaho Legislature passed a law, signed in March by Republican Gov. C.L. “Butch” Otter, that would allow owners of pets and livestock to kill a grizzly if they believed the bear was threatening their animals. The law would apply to people living within the Yellowstone ecosystem but outside the national park boundary — and only once delisting occurred.”

    Conservationists and Tribes Denounce US Plan to Remove Yellowstone Grizzly Bears From Endangered Species List

    What a dull and boring country we would live in if some’s vision of it were realized! Killing off a magnificent creature so that you can sell yarn!

  136. avatar Ida Lupine says:

    Forgot to mention, I was reading about how the grizzly bears’ food supply is still in question, and a spokesperson listed all the things they eat, along with ‘ladybugs and moths’. You have to wonder just how many ladybugs will be able to sustain a 700 lb. grizzly! 🙁

  137. avatar Josh says:

    Ida how many bears should there be before they are delisted? You cried “Wolf” in 2013 about the white pine food source becoming smaller, yet grizz populations continued to rise. They are adaptive creatures, you think that’s the first time in millions of years a food source changed for a wild animal? They will be fine with delisting.

    • avatar Peter Kiermeir says:

      Yes, they will be fine with delisting….stuffed and hidden in the trophy rooms, in front of the fireplace….nailed to the wall. So much better looking than alive. Same as it was with the wolves: How many wolves should there be before they are delistet? Everybody asked. And now they are delisted and fine, hunted by the dozen every season…..Well, hunt those bears. Kill´em! This makes America great again!

      • avatar josh says:

        Peter the whole point of the ESA is to help them recover and then remove them from the ESA. It is designed for them to be delisted, and the wolves are doing just fine!

        • avatar Immer Treue says:

          Perhaps what Peter is alluding to, and what many others have brought up, (including a large number of folks in MN when wolves were delisted)is why the rush to general hunting seasons, rather just allowing livestock and pet owners to protect what is theirs? Reduction in general numbers may help, in particular with slower reproducers like grizzly bears, yet, there seems to be a trend in studies that support the idea that hunting may actually exacerbate the “problems”.

          Prime example would be coyotes. With no other term appropriate, coyotes have been subject to year round persecution, yet, their numbers increase. Why not, at least in certain areas of states try just leaving them alone, and see what happens?

    • avatar rork says:

      Pretty good article, thanks. However “Scientists have also found genes that give some animals resistance to prions.” might have told you it is variation in the PRNP gene itself (the one that makes the protein that can miss-fold) that most obviously matters, and that alleles with greater resistance are expected to increase in frequency. That will happen rather slowly though.

  138. avatar Kathleen says:

    Bees can’t take the heat: “Hot cities spell bad news for bees”
    Date: June 26, 2017; Source: North Carolina State U.
    Summary: “Common wild bee species decline as urban temperatures increase, a new research study concludes.”


  139. avatar Gary Humbard says:

    I’m sure you are all aware of natures symbiotic relationships but it still amazes me!

    Going to Yellowstone in early September to visit these high elevation areas come alive!


    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      🙂 Nice article.

    • avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

      In an attempt to counter the loss, Forest Service and Fish and Wildlife Service teams are collecting cones from “plus trees” that resist the fungus and raising a generation of resistant trees. The project can produce 200,000-400,000 seedlings per year

      if 500 seedlings per hectare (2 acres) then it gives 800 hectares per year or 8 km2

      • avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

        Bark Beetles Are Decimating Our Forests. That Might Actually Be a Good Thing.

        But Six has a different way of looking at the trees’ plight: as a battle for survival, with the army of beetles as a helper. She found compelling evidence of this after stumbling across the work of Forest Service researcher Constance Millar, with whom she had crossed paths at beetle conferences.

        Millar was comparing tree core measurements of limber pines, a slight species found in the eastern Sierras of California that can live to be 1,000 years old. After mountain pine beetles ravaged one of her study sites in the late 1980s, certain trees survived. They were all around the same size and age as the surrounding trees that the beetles tore through, so Millar looked closer at tree ring records and began to suspect that, though they looked identical on the outside, the stand in fact had contained two genetically distinct groups of trees. One group had fared well during the 1800s, when the globe was still in the Little Ice Age and average temperatures were cooler. But this group weakened during the warmer 1900s, and grew more slowly as a result. Meanwhile, the second group seemed better suited for the warmer climate, and started to grow faster.

        When beetle populations exploded in the 1980s, this second group mounted a much more successful battle against the bugs. After surviving the epidemic, this group of trees “ratcheted forward rapidly,” Millar explains. When an outbreak flared up in the mid-2000s, the bugs failed to infiltrate any of the survivor trees in the stand. The beetles had helped pare down the trees that had adapted to the Little Ice Age, leaving behind the ones better suited to hotter weather. Millar found similar patterns in whitebark pines and thinks it’s possible that this type of beetle-assisted natural selection is going on in different types of trees all over the country.

        When Six read Millar’s studies, she was floored. Was it possible, she wondered, that we’ve been going about beetle management all wrong? “It just hit me,” she says. “There is something amazing happening here.”

  140. avatar alf says:

    2 grizzlies euthanized after livestock attack
    The Associated Press
    Posted: Jun 27, 2017 10:13 AM MDT

    Updated: Jun 27, 2017 10:13 AM MDT

    STANFORD, Mont. – Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks euthanized two grizzly bears for preying on livestock in Montana.

    The two subadult males, who were siblings, were killed Monday.

    Fish, Wildlife and Parks say the bears were the farthest east of the Rocky Mountain Front than any grizzly bear has been seen in more than a century.

    According to Fish, Wildlife and Parks, the bears killed four calves late Friday night or early Saturday.

    Fish, Wildlife and Parks and U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Wildlife Services responded in a joint effort to capture the bears.

    The two bears are part of the Northern Continental Divide Ecosystem population, which is more than 1,000 bears and remains listed as a threatened species under the Endangered Species Act.

    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      So why do we need a hunting season again? When I read stories like this, I am thankful that I do not eat beef, and that I do not contribute to this kind of thing in any way (except for any taxpayer money demanded for ransom from me, and which I can’t control.)

      To say that there is going to be no rush to hunt grizzlies isn’t being truthful. I’m sure we all remember the articles that came out from only last year, saying how the three states were going to ‘divvy up’ the grizzly population:


      • avatar alf says:

        Why do we need a hunting season again ? Because Fish and Wildlife departments are bureaucracies, and like all bureaucracies, are constantly in search of new and expanded ways to justify their existence, to grow, and to broaden and expand their authority.

        Color me cynical.

        • avatar Professor Sweat says:

          Well theres also the need for funding. People like to keep their jobs. I think it was pretty stupid to delist Yellowstone bears before their population could link up to the NCD ecosystem bear genetics, but I don’t think the states will manage their hunting seasons the same idiotic way many other predator species are managed. WY, ID, and MT F+G agencies can potentially make a nice slice of revenue of money off of grizzly bear tags. They can charge whatever they want, seeing as how the only other option is going to Alaska, hiring a guide, and paying a grand for their nonresident license (or paying upwards of 10-15k to hunt one in Canada). I don’t like the idea hunting grizzlies, but I think it stands to reason that they’ll be at least somewhat responsibly managed. I’d like to at least wait and see what the three states come up with.

          • avatar alf says:

            Prof. Sweat : I think your first two sentences pretty well confirm what I said about bureaucracies.

            That said, I generally agree with the rest of your post, but would add that it’s a shame that we (our society, in the USA in particular) seems to think EVERYTHING has to be monetized. We can’t seem to appreciate ANYTHING intrinsically, without putting a dollar value on it.

            As Oscar Wilde said — in another context, of course, “They know the cost of everything and the value of nothing”

          • avatar Nancy says:

            “I don’t like the idea hunting grizzlies, but I think it stands to reason that they’ll be at least somewhat responsibly managed”

            Managed for whom, is the bigger question Gary, at least in my mind and perhaps many other minds?

            Josh likes to think that wolves are “doing just fine” but hunting and trapping them for half the year, here in Montana, not only has reduced their populations but causes all sorts of problems within recognized, documented, family structures of wolves not to mention, other predators.

            And wait for it – trying to exist along side the human species, in what’s left of wilderness areas.

            “Why not, at least in certain areas of states try just leaving them alone, and see what happens?”

            I totally agree with Immer on that comment.

            Livestock raisers, especially out here in the western states, where it takes twice, if not more acreage, just to raise one cow, have a disgusting history of exterminating anything(whether it be plant or animal) that might interfere with their way of doing business and federal (and state agencies) like Wildlife Services, go out of their way to accommodate them.


            Time to shout loudly, about this archaic approach to managing wildlife, in what’s left of wild areas.

            • avatar Ida Lupine says:

              Yes, and as our population continues to grow, where is the wildlife supposed to go? The term exceeds ‘carrying capacity’ always reminds me of one of those horror movies where a room’s wall keep closing in on the occupants, and the room is squeezed down smaller and smaller.

  141. avatar Nancy says:

    “There’s a consequence when you put 94 percent of our offshore off limits. There’s a consequence of not harvesting trees. There’s a consequence of not using some of our public lands for creation of wealth and jobs,” he said.

    There are going to be even greater consequences, Mr. Zinke, if you can’t be bothered to wrap your tiny, profit motivated mind, around the fact that too much of the earth has already been plundered for the creation of wealth and jobs.


  142. avatar Josh says:

    Nancy wolves are doing just fine. Resilient animals. And the bears will be just fine also, you were all freaking out about the whole pinenut debacle but of course it was a non event for grizz.

    • avatar Nancy says:

      “Now, FWS argues that it’s once again time to strip these bears of their frail legal protection. No matter that the whitebark pine epidemic is far worse than it was 10 years ago. No matter that the bear population is essentially the same size as it was in 2007.

      The delisting a decade ago shows us that the government does not have the capability to manage the delicate balance of grizzlies and their diminishing habitat. In fact, as climate change continues to kill off one of these bear’s main food sources, grizzlies will need more and more land to survive, not less”



      • avatar josh says:

        Nancy it will always be a revolving door. 10 years ago it was doom and gloom, the forecast for the destruction of the species was imminent. Populations have risen slowly over the years mainly because areas have reached capacity and its slower to expand into other areas. That does not mean the species as a whole is in danger. No bear/wolf ever being killed for any reason will be acceptable to the majority of the “pro” side. So its pointless to argue for a compromise, because there will never be one.

        • avatar Nancy says:

          “No bear/wolf ever being killed for any reason will be acceptable to the majority of the “pro” side. So its pointless to argue for a compromise, because there will never be one”

          Curious Josh, do you get most of your inspiration/ information, regarding how predators need to be treated/managed, regarding their impact on the western landscape, from hunting sites or ranchers?

          • avatar alf says:

            Sic ’em, Nancy !

          • avatar josh says:

            I dont like public land ranching. And most of the hunters dont feel the same way as I do, or approach hunting the way I do. I want wolves and grizzlies, and I live in Idaho! I want states to manage the animals in their respective state.

            I get my sources of info from many sources, some on the pro side and some on the no side.

            Do you get all your information from pro wolf blogs sharing their opinions?

            • avatar Ida Lupine says:

              I hope you are right. Like you, I read and get information from the entire spectrum of sources. We won’t get anywhere preaching to the choir, and sometimes I am pleasantly surprised as well.

              I just think we are a little too confident in our ability to manage anything, not just wildlife.

            • avatar Nancy says:

              “Do you get all your information from pro wolf blogs sharing their opinions?”

              Nope, not everyone is sharing their opinions, Josh, a lot of people, especially here on the Wildlife News site (who care about wildlife) post excellent links to scientific facts & information.

              Over a thousand head of cattle have past by my driveway in the last 2 days, all heading to public lands, 10 miles up the road.

              There will be wolves up there and have been the past couple of years.

              They’ve been following the elk, who pasted through the area earlier this month. Will the lame cow, I watched hobble by, become a meal? There’s a good possibility.

              Course that’s one thing you and I agree on – we don’t like public land ranching. If livestock were better managed, there would be less need to manage wildlife.

      • avatar josh says:

        And Nancy you posted a blog from a person who loves grizzly bears and expect me to treat that as fact and an unbiased opinion? Should I post an article from Don Peay and have you accept that as truth… ?

  143. avatar WM says:

    A news article on one human caused grizzly bear death (Scarface), and 2016 mortality stats for the Yellowstone GYE:



    2017 thru March indicates mortality of 8.

    The more bears the more unforeseen encounters and deaths and those who will second guess the circumstances leading to those deaths.

    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      Well then, if we want to eliminate all risk, why not clear the landscape of all life except human and those unfortunate creatures we’ve dominated/domesticated and semi-domesticated for our use? Anything that inconveniences us and our lifestyles. I think that at some point that’s where we’re heading anyway.

      • avatar Ida Lupine says:

        I can see in the future a national park the size of a postage stamp, and still we claim that whatever manages to survive has exceeded its carrying capacity!

        I’m still aghast at Ryan Zinke’s latest proposal about more development on the public lands for jobs. Where will it end? The ‘consequences’ of that are that if there is nothing left, nobody’s gonna have a job!

      • avatar Ida Lupine says:

        I should add to my first sentence: ‘instead of the death by a thousand cuts’ method we use now on wildlife and wild lands’.

    • avatar Gary Humbard says:

      WM, there is enough information available to help keep grizzlies alive if we just implement them.

      There are ranchers who have lost few cattle to grizzlies because they implemented new techniques and problematic grazing allotments bought out.

      Hikers have plenty of information available to keep close encounters to a minimum and if one occurs, have bear spray at your fingertips and know how to use it. Most GYE campgrounds have bear proof trash and food containers and even backcountry sites have bear poles.

      Hunters also have the do’s and don’ts and frankly, this hunters attitude (I would do it again) indicates he is not interested in changing his ways. Unfortunately, de-listing is only compound this attitude.

      Predatory attacks are so rare, you would be hard pressed to find one.

      I admit, many years ago, I had a close encounter in Glacier NP because we were not making noise and on top of that were not carrying bear spray. I’m now prepared whenever I go hiking for “Murphy” to show up.

      such as the following: like hike in groups and make consistent noise, have bear spray immediately available and know how to use it, bear proof attractants such as food and smells, is is not rocket science

      • avatar WM says:


        If I understand the charts correctly, most of the bear mortality that results in lethal removal is related to human interaction other than confrontation with a hiker/hunter (but in some cases you don’t know what preceeds a sanctioned removal it would seem).

        However, the more bears, the higher the probability of opportunities for those interactions of various kinds to occur. I, too, have had a couple personal encounters in AK and Yukon Territory, BC.

        And, to be fair, bear spray or lethal means aren’t always deployable. Horseback riders can typically use neither, mountain bikers would be, unless stopped, unable to use spray. Livestock, on the range, penned or tied up – well that kind of speaks for itself. My cousin, an engineer and land surveyor in MT and ID, has had several encounters with grizzlies while on the job, or camped at work sites. They are pretty bear savvy – grizzly or black. His crew members carried large bore fire arms and bear spray was available, as well. You never hear about the close calls in the news, and they are never included in the statistics.

        I think the tally is roughly 7-8 percent of the grizzly population in the GYE gets in trouble to the point of eventually being removed. It would be reasonable to expect that percentage to roughly hold, as the population grows, maybe even go higher as habitat becomes a constraint to expanding population. So, get ready for bear mortality stories, some even compellingly sad. I see HSUS just announced they are going to sue FWS over the delisting.


        • avatar Mareks Vilkins says:


          grizzly bears – 700
          forests – 20 000 km2
          population – 1.3 million

          Conflicts exist over destruction of beehives while damage to livestock is very rare in Estonia



          grizzly bear – 800…1100
          forests – 20 000 km2
          population – 5.4 million

          • avatar Mareks Vilkins says:


            Which is to say, social science research has shown over and over again that white males with less education, living in rural areas, and employed in agriculture have notoriously little tolerance for large carnivores such as grizzly bears. Interestingly, most of these guys are hunters. And, of direct relevance to the drama of Yellowstone’s grizzly bears, these guys dominate wildlife management by holding the purse strings and controlling wildlife commissions. Moreover, they are amongst the politically best connected of all in the states of Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana…where we are trying to sustain the few grizzly bears left in the contiguous United States.

            Grizzly bear managers are using “social carrying capacity” as rhetorical cover for maintaining the status quo. And the status quo is all about serving political masters (read conservative white male hunters, ranchers, or energy executives) who dominate wildlife commissions and have direct-line access to congressional delegations, state legislatures, and governor’s offices controlled by fellow regressive conservatives.

            In fact, wildlife managers are talking about political carrying capacity configured by their assessment of career prospects and the budgetary or other special interests of the wildlife management agencies they work for. To be fair, agency culture is also a major factor, including a deep-seated prejudice against predators that kill animals that would otherwise generate agency revenues through the sale of hunting licenses…at least according to agency myth.

            • avatar Ida Lupine says:

              +1 If we have any hope of preserving wildlife for the future, we are going to have to require certain behaviors from those out wreck-reating in wilderness – like bear spray is not optional, especially if wildlife is to be delisted.

              The Scarface example is just plain entitlement, and should not be acceptable if there are only 700 grizzlies in the GYA. I think that the ‘isolated population’ designation is going to be challenged in court, and I wish them much success. There should be connectivity for the species to be healthy after a delisting. Why are they designated an isolated species?

              This article shows just how certain concepts get twisted for human benefit.

              • avatar Ida Lupine says:

                ‘sorry, ‘isolated population’. They are not there for $$$ generation and people’s entertainment i.e. ‘glorified zoo’. But yes, some feel deprived of having the experience of seeing wildlife on our own public lands because of special interests, and the catch-22 of being told we haven’t experienced them so we have no right to an opinion or input!

                I know this will sound like heresy, but I am less concerned about wildlife for people’s enjoyment than I am for protecting wildlife for their own benefit and survival unrelated to us and our activities. It is important for us, but primarily it is for their survival first.

                I hate that word recreating. It’s got to be the most dispassionate sounding word ever. It sounds robotic and too generic. Add a little humanity to it.

  144. avatar Kathleen says:

    Missoula Independent cover story:
    “One wolf’s journey from survivor to star, and what her death says about our appetite for the wild”

    Regarding the death of the 2nd generation white wolf in Yellowstone.


    • avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

      ha, I was just thinking whether to post a link to this very same article – that ‘individual wolves do matter’:

      ‘the Canyons were denning just outside Mammoth, feeding on elk and using the park’s road system to weave between the territories of other wolf packs. The Canyons’ habit of navigating those road corridors became a defining characteristic of their presence in Yellowstone. Few wolves feel comfortable so close to the park’s human visitors, but for the White Lady and her packmates, proximity seemed almost like a key to survival.


      A former alpha male of the Lamar Canyon pack called 755, whose mate, the well-known wolf 06, had been killed by a hunter outside the park in 2012, had come to court one of the White Lady’s sub-adult daughters. The reactions of the two Canyon alphas drove home to Dixon how different individual wolves’ personalities can be. The White Lady had never appeared to be an affectionate mother, and, by Dixon’s recollection, she was hardly fazed by her daughter’s departure. Her mate, 712, his fur now graying, was quite the opposite.

      “He was sitting there howling forever,” Dixon says. “It’d been going on for a couple of days, and it was obviously the final goodbye. He was really devastated by it, but [the White Lady] just kept on going.”

      • avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

        FEATURE: The Grand Teacher or The Big Bad Wolf

        Dobson says a turning point for him as an activist was when he videotaped outfitters riding right by the den where the Junction Butte pack lived in Yellowstone. “They were within 75 feet of the den, which is illegal, and their horses were loose, but they didn’t receive a ticket or get banned,” he said. A district park ranger called them 30 times, and Dobson asserts, “they saw the missed calls but claimed their phone never rang.” He believes this is what drove the pack out of the area to create another den, which had a negative impact on the size and health of the pack.

        “It’s disgusting,” Dobson said, “what people—ranchers and hunters—get away with.” He said a lot of Native Americans believe in protecting wolves but don’t want to be outspoken or ruffle feathers. But a true activist, he said, doesn’t sugar coat the issues or compromise integrity by allowing rich outfitters to get away with disturbing a wolf sanctuary. When they’re “in bed” with the local politicians and ranchers who have donated to advocacy groups that play “both sides of the fence,” then prominent wolf experts support management plans that put ranchers ahead of wildlife and treat wolves like “pests.”

        Dobson said he has received more than 100 death threats, but it doesn’t bother him. He told one caller, “We’ll just meet in the woods and handle this the old Indian way,” and never heard from him again.

        … Protect the Wolves has been up against governors, senators, ranchers, hunters and businessmen, and a lot of people don’t like mixing Native American traditions with advocacy groups. “It’s the typical 1800s rancher mentality. … Ranchers everywhere are the worst. They all have the same typical mentality: shoot, shovel, and shut up,” Dobson said. “Leave your Indian stuff at home,” is what they are silently expressing, he said. It’s a constant tug-of-war between what people want and what’s right.

  145. avatar Ida Lupine says:

    Very apropos opinion from the Missoulian:

    Owning Our Hypocrisies

    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      Classic and shocking poaching case. One of the comments says it has been going on for 40 years? Is ‘illegal trapping’ the new PC word for poaching? It really decreases the impact of what this truly is.

      If there was better enforcement of the laws, perhaps there would be a lot more cooperation from wildlife advocates about hunting and government ‘management’.

      • avatar Ida Lupine says:

        It’s also a big example of why we need the Endangered Species Act. Wolverines should have been listed. I’m not sure of the status of pine martens and fishers?

        • avatar alf says:

          Wolverines and Fishers definitely should be listed, but we all know how milk-toast and politically controlled by the extactive industries FWS is. BTW, don’t forget the Lynx. It should be listed, too. Martin probably not (yet), but they are definintely over-trapped, at least in the northern Rockies, and tighter limits are needed. (Like most readers on this site, my preference would be for NO trapping, period.)

          • avatar Inner Treue says:

            If I remember correctly, marten and fisher take are both down in NE MN.

          • avatar Nancy says:

            It is fascinating how the word “trapped” has evolved over the last century or so, to include human feelings now.

            Maybe if humans could somehow understand the difference – an emotional reaction i.e. trapped in a situation verses the ending of a another specie’s life – we might move forward on the issue of trapping for the sport/fun/profit of it.


            • avatar Ida Lupine says:

              I don’t know, it seems if we haven’t gotten the message by now after millennia, we never will. Also, ‘illegal trapping’ implies that there’s such a thing as ‘legal trapping’, so it, to me, just softens the blow to much of what pain and suffering for these people truly is. Metaphorically being trapped just doesn’t mean the same, to me – we can always up and leave. The poor critter can’t. I’m tired about making it about us all the time.

              Sorry, I am a word and etymology enthusiast.

              • avatar Ida Lupine says:

                or should read: softens the blow too much of what pain and suffering for these animals truly is.

  146. avatar Ida Lupine says:

    ♪”Preso said the delisting is illegal because the federal government’s argument for delisting the Yellowstone bears relies on the bears being considered a distinct population — a move that was rejected by one court when the USFWS used it with wolves in the Great Lakes region. The government has appealed that court’s ruling, but a decision has not been handed down yet”♫.


  147. avatar Nancy says:

    “Managing the vegetation within the park would enhance stewardship of land by protecting archeological, cultural, and historic resources and limiting fuel availability to wildfires thus reducing fire danger to the park and surrounding properties.

    ***Additionally, the grazing program would improve range health, spur plant growth, and improve wildlife habitat”

    Yeah, right!


  148. avatar Kathleen says:

    “Everything from Whales to Plankton Killed by Underwater Oil Survey Air Guns”

    Excerpt: “NOAA and its National Marine Fisheries Service will hold a public hearing on July 6 with five companies that need permits to conduct air-blast surveys. The Marine Mammal Protection Act allows incidental harassment of whales, dolphins, and manatees, and the interpretation of this is part of the ongoing debate between finding new oil reserves and protecting fragile marine environments.”


  149. avatar Kathleen says:

    From “Our Wisconsin, Our Wildlife”:
    “July 1st: The Season of Hell Begins for Wisconsin Wildlife”

    Excerpt: “Tomorrow, July 1st, marks the beginning of the legal animal fighting free for all known as the bear hound “training season.” Thousands of hounds and hounders will descend on our public lands from all over the country with their trucks, bait, and thousands of GPS collared hounds to torment any wildlife that gets in their way. No permit is required for any of this and there is essentially ZERO oversight. Hounds are allowed to run bears for hours on end and will inevitably get into bloody fights with wolves defending their young at rendezvous sites. For each hound killed by a wolf the hounder will receive a $2500 check from the DNR for their “loss” despite a huge number being repeat claimants running hounds in known wolf “caution areas.””

    Read more: https://ourwisconsinourwildlife.wordpress.com/2017/06/30/july-1st-the-season-of-hell-begins-for-wisconsin-wildlife/

  150. avatar Kathleen says:

    Sorry if this is a duplicate link–I can’t imagine that it hasn’t been posted here already, but I don’t recall seeing it.

  151. avatar Ida Lupine says:


    Can this be done with ongoing lawsuit(s)? Are the bears considered ‘property of Idaho’ while lawsuits are ongoing and the delisting isn’t final? More torment for the bears. Just more torment for wildlife in the name of ‘science’, which we know means nothing unless the word ‘political’ is in front of it.

    I just read an article about a bear encounter that was called an ‘altercation’. *eyeroll* I expect to read about more and more grizzly encounters to justify the delisting and ‘management’.

    Happy 4th of July!


  152. avatar frank renn says:

    The latest bird check list includes a new species that is endemic to the South hills and Albion mountains in southern Idaho. Its common name is the Cassia crossbill. It is a sedentary population and is declining to due to global warming

  153. avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

    Pack and lone wolf summaries for Wisconsin in winter 2016-17

    an overwinter minimum wolf count of 925-956 and 232 packs in 2016-17

    Human Dimension:

    page 9

    54% of deer hunters in wolf range agreed they would worry for their personal safety while outdoors in areas where wolves live

    76% of deer hunters both inside and outside of wolf range would worry about the safety of children who are outdoors in areas where wolves live

    82% of deer hunter respondents in wolf range would worry about the safety of their pets while outdoors in areas where wolves live

    About 6% of wolf range residents reported having an animal attacked by a wolf

    A majority of hunters in wolf range agreed (54%) that they worry for their safety around wolves, but when it comes to bears, only 37% of hunters worried”

    page 10

    “we found much higher rates of people raised in urban areas and in towns moving out into rural areas than we did rural people moving to more metropolitian areas”
    “often bringing their cultural values with them”

    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      Did they say that there was any actual, factual justification for fear for safety, or is it just mis-perception? All I see is a comparably low number of actual attacks on livestock. (And even those probably can be taken with a grain of salt).

      • avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

        it’s obvious that average hunter do not read what is written about wolves on the wildlife agency’s website. They live in separate information bubble which is ‘safe’ from outside influences.

        “About 6% of wolf range residents reported having an animal attacked by a wolf” – LOL

    • avatar Immer Treue says:

      10’s of thousands enter the BWCA each year, all seasons. No conflict.

  154. avatar Kathleen says:

    “Black bear charges, bites hiker in popular Idaho forest:
    The large bear charged her Tuesday, biting her head, side and abdomen”

    The bear and her cub were startled by the hiker’s dogs so it was a defensive attack…BUT…

    “Officials decided the bear needed to be killed because it lingered after the attack, but they called off the search because it crossed a river and they could not be sure they would find the same animal in the area packed with bears.”


  155. avatar Kathleen says:

    “Larimer County plans to revamp policy after ranger shoots, kills bear at Estes Park campground:
    The mother bear, who was with two cubs, did not leave the campground despite three hours of hazing”

    Excerpt: “After three hours of unsuccessful hazing, a ranger loaded a shotgun with birdshot and shot the mother bear in attempt to scare it away.

    “Rangers found the mother bear dead the next day and a Colorado Parks and Wildlife necropsy found the bear died as a result of shotgun blasts with penetrating small pellets to its left side, CPW spokeswoman Jennifer Churchill told the Coloradoan. She told the newspaper CPW does not recommend shooting bears with birdshot.”

    No word on the fate of the cubs.


    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      Uh, yeah, I think it’s time to ‘revamp’ the policy!!!! Nobody seemed to know what they were doing. 🙁

  156. avatar Kathleen says:

    Bad times for bears. This bear wasn’t “euthanized”–he was executed. Bears don’t become problems or “public threats” all by themselves.

    “Bear euthanized after breaking into Colorado Springs home and spending five hours inside: Wildlife officials said the bear had become a public threat”


  157. avatar Ida Lupine says:


    I’m not sure if this article was posted before, but it has some good information. The map alone shows just how little would be required to have some connectivity for the Yellowstone bears – without it the recovery of the bears is not complete, IMO.

    From the article:

    “Aside from the substantive problems, delisting would disenfranchise anyone living outside Idaho, Montana and Wyoming from decisions affecting a species that is of national interest. Under the ESA, all of us have a voice in grizzly bear management. But after delisting, anyone who does not live in the three states encompassing the Northern Rockies has no say in what happens to grizzlies.”

    This sounds a lot like what WM seems to advocate.

    • avatar Gary Humbard says:

      My experience as a former career federal employee confirmed that no matter what percentage of public input was against de-listing, the decision was already made. Receiving public input was just a ESA requirement and formality.

      I think the best argument against de-listing is the population is a distinct population, akin to gray wolves in the great lakes region which are currently protected. Protecting grizzlies would provide the optimum means for dispersal to the Bitterroots in Idaho (FWS Recovery Zone without grizzlies) and also to the Northern Rockies.

      If enacted, trophy hunting would be the least concern for the bears as the vast majority get killed due to livestock depredation, food habituation and road kill of which most can be prevented.

  158. avatar timz says:

    of course they had to slap a collar on it right away

    • avatar Gary Humbard says:

      IMHO, the collar is beneficial in that it can transmit a mortality signal, the wolfs use of habitat so land management agencies can better manage the landscape and numerous other information. These wolves are protected under the ESA and with only two packs in California, the more information, the better.

    • avatar timz says:

      “It would restrict the use of trail cameras and the use of cell phones, texts, or radios as an aid to hunting big game. That would mean hunters could not use cell phones or two way radios to tell another hunter the location of a big game animal.

      Fish and Game says use of the devices have given rise to concerns over fair chase, ethics and sportsmanship.”

      But baiting is true sportsmanship?

      • avatar Ida Lupine says:

        🙂 This is what had me shaking my head.

        • avatar Ida Lupine says:

          The delisting of wolves, and the barring of any judicial challenge, is going to continually cause dismay. Thanks a lot, Democrats! Our willful blindness too.

          There a Democrat in WI who wants to delist wolves, and I hope she loses her seat in 2018.

    • avatar louise kane says:

      exactly, bastards.

      Please everyone share and make comments against this newest cruelty.

      There is no out of state restriction.

  159. avatar Kathleen says:

    Utah loses thanks to its delegation’s hostility toward public lands.

    “Denver has landed the coveted Outdoor Retailer summer and winter trade shows, sources confirm: Five year deal will bring 45,000 attendees to Denver, delivering estimated $45 million economic impact”

    Excerpt: (Officials) “announced this year they were pulling the winter and summer Outdoor Retailer trade shows out of their 21-year home in Salt Lake City, citing Utah political efforts to downsize recent national monument designations, specifically the 1.35 million-acre Bears Ears National Monument created by the Obama Administration in December 2016. Colorado politicians joined the state’s outdoor industry leaders in lobbying Emerald and OIA, citing the state’s robust outdoor economy and appreciation for public lands.”


  160. avatar Kathleen says:

    Ag-gag laws have been discussed on this forum in the past. Good news: A federal judge has struck down Utah’s ‘ag-gag’ law as unconstitutional.

    Excerpt: “Animal activists praised Shelby’s ruling on Friday, with the Utah Animal Rights Coalition calling the decision a “victory” for animals and the First Amendment.”


  161. avatar Kathleen says:

    “Reward offered for information on killing of endangered red wolf”

    Excerpt: “Officials said the wolf was poisoned and found dead Jan. 27 in Tyrell County. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is also asking for the public’s help and offered a $2,500 reward in the case. Additional rewards have been added ($10,000, Center for Biological Diversity; $3,000, Animal Welfare Institute; $2,500, Defenders of Wildlife; $2,000, Red Wolf Coalition) that brings the total reward up to $20,000. …

    …“The science shows that red wolves can be saved but, with fewer than 50 left in the wild, this deplorable killing cannot be tolerated.”


    • avatar louise kane says:

      The USFWS inaction in red wolf recovery is criminal. Why they have not fought NC on night and daytime hunting of coyotes in red wolf territory is deplorable. Sometimes I wonder that such stupid, shortsighted, corruption is tolerated by all citizens. But, Trump is evidence that inept corruption is desirable to many.

  162. avatar Kathleen says:

    “DNR kills mountain lion in northwest Iowa”

    The first female mountain lion in Iowa was killed. Of course. Iowa is ALL about factory farming: 17.9 million hogs, 1.2 million beef cattle, 52.4 million egg-laying hens, 1 million broiler chickens and 64,500 dairy cows. Animal agriculture means death for animals…both the farmed ones and the wild natives.


    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      “To be a successful activist is to be a combination of lucky and good. My own experience has been that no work is ever wasted. That if you go to the mat, if you keep pushing hard enough and long enough, then one small thing will shift and you’ll get the break you need. A moderate Republican will switch parties; a lone Democratic representative will fight for you on the House floor. A rogue Forest Service supervisor will be transferred; a monstrous timber sale will fall through at the last minute due to market volatilities. You never know. You always have to play it out. You can never give up, even when you are beaten.”

      These are the things that make it all worth it. Music to my ears, thanks for posting, and to the writer as well. 🙂

  163. avatar Mareks Vilkins says:


    The state plans to suspend its largest wolf control program. The Upper Yukon Tanana area program, which has targeted wolves in an area of the eastern interior since 2004, is scheduled to cease after the 2017-2018 season.

    The State’s long running Upper Yukon Tanana wolf control effort is aimed at increasing Forty Mile caribou numbers for hunters by reducing the number of wolves on the caribou herd’s calving grounds, but Alaska Department of Fish and Game regional supervisor Darren Bruning said recent year’s field research indicates wolves are not the limiting factor

    The Forty Mile area wolf control program demonstrates the problem with manipulating a complicated natural system, according to retired wildlife biologist Fran Mauer of Fairbanks. Mauer, a critic of predator control, said the state may find itself working in the opposite direction.

    “If a herd is reaching carrying capacity, it’s imperative to be ready to reduce the number of animals on the land to prevent a precipitous collapse or crash,” Mauer said.

    • avatar Immer Treue says:

      “If a herd is reaching carrying capacity, it’s imperative to be ready to reduce the number of animals on the land to prevent a precipitous collapse or crash,” Mauer said.

      Mauer, is frustrated that the state hasn’t already curtailed the Forty Mile area wolf kill. Hunting can be used to thin the herd, but Mauer, said it’s ironic that the state may also end up relying on wolves to reduce the caribou to a sustainable number.

      ”The concern is that we’ve already reached, or are approaching, carrying capacity,” Mauer said. “And if anything, we may need those wolves to help bring the herd down.”

    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      Thank goodness!

  164. avatar Gary Humbard says:

    Former Utah Division of Wildlife Resources Director Greg Sheehan, who has long advocated keeping Mexican wolves out of Utah, has recently taken the helm at the FWS in an acting capacity and would likely be the official to sign off on any final plan.

    Sorry if this was posted before, but I thought you might want to comment on the FWS Draft Mexican Wolf Recovery Plan.


    • avatar louise kane says:

      Thank you for posting Gary
      another revolting revelation, Greg Sheehan at helm of FWS

  165. avatar louise kane says:


    hope you’ll take a moment to read this essay

  166. avatar Ida Lupine says:

    Utah must have the worst entrenched crony politics ever. There’s a corner of UT that has gray wolves delisted, when they don’t even have them and where they have not made a recovery!

    You wonder how they got away with it – they maybe declared themselves an adjunct to ID or WY?

    • avatar josh says:

      I think most states see the circus that is wolf recovery and want nothing to do with it. Pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered. All the lawsuits for decades and moving targets have created an atmosphere that no one wants a part of.

  167. avatar Kathleen says:

    July 12: Happy 200th birthday to Henry David Thoreau…one of my guiding lights and an inspiration to so many who hear that different drummer.

    “If injustice…is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say break the law. Let your life be a counter-friction to stop the machine. What I have to do is see, at any rate, that I do not lend myself to the wrong which I condemn.”

    “All good things are wild and free.”

    “In wildness is the preservation of the world.”

    “If a man walk in the woods for love of them half of each day, he is in danger of being regarded as a loafer; but if he spends his whole day as a speculator, shearing off those woods and making earth bald before her time, he is esteemed an industrious and enterprising citizen. As if a town had no interest in its forests but to cut them down!”

    “When I consider that the nobler animal have been exterminated here – the cougar, the panther, lynx, wolverine, wolf, bear, moose, dear, the beaver, the turkey and so forth and so forth, I cannot but feel as if I lived in a tamed and, as it were, emasculated country… Is it not a maimed and imperfect nature I am conversing with? As if I were to study a tribe of Indians that had lost all it’s warriors…I take infinite pains to know all the phenomena of the spring, for instance, thinking that I have here the entire poem, and then, to my chagrin, I hear that it is but an imperfect copy that I possess and have read, that my ancestors have torn out many of the first leaves and grandest passages, and mutilated it in many places. I should not like to think that some demigod had come before me and picked out some of the best of the stars. I wish to know an entire heaven and an entire earth.”

  168. avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

    Environmental defenders being killed in record numbers globally, new research reveals

    Exclusive Activists, wildlife rangers and indigenous leaders are dying violently at the rate of about four a week, with a growing sense around the world that ‘anyone can kill environmental defenders without repercussions’


  169. avatar Kathleen says:

    “Trump budget would lift wild horse slaughter restrictions: Proposed BLM budget lifts slaughter restrictions, cuts birth control”


    Yesterday, a House panel voted to lift the ban (currently in place through 9/30/17) on horse slaughter in a 27-25 vote against the amendment that would continue de-funding USDA inspections of horse meat (thus continuing the ban).

  170. avatar JEFF E says:

    “Karen Budd-Falen, a Wyoming lawyer who sources say is undergoing final vetting to serve as the BLM’s next director,…”


    The orange anus’ government gets worse by the minuet

  171. avatar Kathleen says:

    “Oregon, Washington and tribes again take aim at sea lions in dispute over salmon”

    Excerpt: “If the legislation is approved, as many as 920 sea lions could be killed annually, compared with 92 under current law.”

    Four dams impede salmon, along with commercial and recreational fishing, but the “solution” is to kill the native wildlife.


  172. avatar Kathleen says:

    “Nevermore, or Tomorrow? Ravens Can Plan Ahead”
    “Like great apes, the canny corvids seem capable of delaying gratification”

    Final line of this Scientific American article:
    “When we do manage to put the birds in brain scanners, we may continue to discover that we are less unique than we think.”


  173. avatar Kathleen says:

    Get ready: Next week’s schedule for the House Committee on Natural Resources includes

    “…the Committee begins the process of reforming and improving the Endangered Species Act (ESA).”


  174. avatar Kathleen says:

    If the Gisselbecks are so worried about their goats, let them hire someone to lion-proof their goat pens. It’s the epitome of human hubris to think that native wildlife should be executed for eating what they find.

    “Mountain lion kills goat kids, yearling on Gisselbeck ranch”


    • avatar alf says:

      36 goats, and they only have less than 14 acres. Do they rent pasture ? Have a federal grazing permit ? If not, they must have to feed an awfully lot of hay. Or maybe they just turn their goats out and trespass them, stealing graze.

  175. avatar Ida Lupine says:

    “In 2016, deforestation of the Amazon rose by 29 percent over the previous year, the biggest jump since 2008, according to the government’s satellite monitoring.”


    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      I had to chuckle ironically when a commenter posted ‘it looks like ‘the lungs of the world’ have been affected with COPD 2!)

    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      What a joke. How can the department plan for wolf hunting quotas if they don’t know how large the population is? This was so predictable, right from the start. I wonder if we now can rely on the Federal government to step in, in as was promised, for poor or lack of management? Just float the idea out there that ‘there are more wolves than we can actually see’, even when they are completely extirpated, I guess.

      I hope people are not going to allow this downward trend to happen to the grizzly population.

      Making baiting wolves which was already being done legal, and not allowing electronic devices out in the woods must have a benefit to them somehow.

      • avatar Ida Lupine says:

        Also I should add that their feet need to be held to the fire about that magic number(s) of 15 breeding pairs and 150 animals that Idaho has p*ssed and moaned about ad nauseam for years.

        That was what was originally promised, whaaa, whaa, whaaa…..so somebody (anybody?) needs to make sure the population doesn’t dip below those numbers.

        • avatar Gary Humbard says:

          “What we have seen is a decrease in the number of wolves in Idaho,” Hayden said. “We want to make absolutely sure they remain a state animal and are not relisted and manage the population to minimize depredation on livestock and ensure predation on ungulates is not unreasonable, particularly in those areas that ungulates are not meeting management goals.”

          “It’s a question of prioritization. We would rather utilize those resources to really learn and understand the impacts that wolves might be causing more than an absolute number with a confidence interval around it,” he said. “By knowing what is going on with our deer and elk herds and determining the specific causes of those mortalities, we can know if we have an issue. Just knowing the number of wolves doesn’t let you know what their relative impacts are.”

          There are approximately 780 wolves in Idaho, far exceeding the minimum for recovery. Instead of spending valuable funds to count wolves, the above quotes make sense to me.

          I made a comment of their website regarding potential baiting of wolves, have you?

          • avatar Ida Lupine says:

            I’m an out of stater, so I don’t think my comment would matter. I don’t think any of them will matter when it concerns Idaho anyway.

            I’m offended that baiting would even come up for ‘public comment’. This is the kind of thing we were promised after the delisting that wouldn’t happen, we were promised ‘responsible management’, or the Federal gov’t would step in. Anyone think that will happen? Idaho keeps pushing a little bit more all the time.

            How low will Idaho go? I don’t think there’s much lower they can go.

            I hope people are not going to allow this kind of ‘responsible management’ to happen to grizzly bears either. Fool us once….

            • avatar Louise Kane says:

              Out of state comments are not precluded
              Since that is the only voice you may be granted it can’t hurt to make it public, officially

  176. avatar Kathleen says:

    The federal HELP for Wildlife Act (S 1514) sounds more like HELL for wildlife? HELP = Hunting Heritage and Environmental Legacy Preservation

    Bill supporters: Wyoming Stock Growers, Rocky Mtn Elk Foundation, Assoc. of Fish & Wildlife Agencies, et al.
    Page promoting the bill: https://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/help-for-wildlife-act

    Opposition: http://ecouprising.blogspot.com/2017/07/call-to-action-demand-senator-cardin.html


  177. avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

    Perceptions and law enforcement of illegal and legal wolf killing in Norway: organized crime or folk crime?

    poachers should be hanged by the balls and left for scavengers

    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      Thank goodness! Whenever things seem just about hopeless, someone tosses the world a life raft. Thanks!

  178. avatar Yvette says:

    A nice article in the SacBee on Janet Kessler, ‘the coyote lady’ from Coyote Yipps blog.


  179. avatar alf says:

    In today’s Mountain West Newsletter (mountainwestnews.org)

    Wyoming wolf, livestock deaths reach record high

    Gray wolves killed a record number of livestock in Wyoming last year, and wildlife managers responded by killing a record number of wolves that were responsible, according to a new federal report.
    Report: Wolf and Livestock Deaths Hit Record High in Wyoming – Flathead Beacon

    CHEYENNE, Wyo. – Gray wolves killed a record number of livestock in Wyoming last year, and wildlife managers responded…
    The report released by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service found that wolves killed 243 livestock, including 154 cattle, 88 sheep and one horse, in 2016. In 2015, 134 livestock deaths attributed to wolves were recorded.
    Last year’s livestock losses in Wyoming exceeded the previous record of 222 in 2009.
    As a result, wildlife managers last year killed 113 wolves that were confirmed to be attacking livestock. In 2015, they killed 54 wolves.
    Previously, the most wolves killed in Wyoming in any year for killing livestock was 63 in 2007.
    Scott Becker, wolf program coordinator in Wyoming for the Fish and Wildlife Service, said managers can only speculate on why conflicts between wolves and livestock increased so much last year.
    “I don’t think we’ll ever know with any certainty why one year is bad and another year not quite so bad,” Becker said. “It’s just the dynamic nature of managing wolves, and as managers we try to do our best to minimize that chronic loss of livestock if at all possible.”

    • avatar Immer Treue says:

      Must of been an awful lot of fat wolves perambulating along the landscape. The statement, “I don’t think we’ll ever know with any certainty why one year is bad and another year not quite so bad” rings of bull sh!t pun intended.

    • avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

      as managers we try to do our best to minimize that chronic loss of livestock


    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      “Scott Becker, wolf program coordinator in Wyoming for the Fish and Wildlife Service, said managers can only speculate on why conflicts between wolves and livestock increased so much last year.”

      Oh, I don’t know – maybe it was exaggerated or made up?

  180. avatar Kathleen says:

    “A Trillion-Ton Iceberg Broke Off Antarctica and All I Can Think About Is Food”
    “Climate change is getting worse, and policymakers are ignoring one of the biggest factors.”


    To that end, and because today is National Hotdog Day, here’s someone’s list of the best plant-based hotdogs. I can attest that the winner is quite tasty!


    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      The author mentions having a baby and doesn’t include overpopulation in her assessment.

      • avatar Ida Lupine says:

        It sounds like the author is ignoring one of, if not the, biggest factors also. Hard to take seriously.

  181. avatar aves says:

    Trumps border wall begins in a National Wildlife Refuge:


  182. avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

    interesting stuff


    When Laudon worked in Montana, there were places where the elk population declined in the presence of wolves, increased in the presence of wolves and decreased in the absence of wolves.

    • avatar alf says:

      It’s nice to be reminded once in a while that there still is some beauty and some decent people in this world

  183. avatar WM says:

    ESA comes closer to possible changes. I think I predicted this sometime back. Too much litigation on very technical grounds. House and Senate are R, Executive Branch is R. Western Governors in 17 states now have the ear of the federal government. And, don’t discount the WGL states MN, MI and WI, who feel much the same way. States don’t like to be dictated to by the federal government, a corner of cooperative federalism, which some here do not understand. And, I would venture to guess even the Congresses that passed all these very important and even essential environmental laws in the 1970’s, were they to weigh in today, might even support some changes to these very laws. The real question is how far will it and should it go.

    There were some lawsuits that should have been filed and then there were some that should not, and only served to fuel a raging fire in the ranks of the opposition. Some NGO’s pushed the line too far, and I sincerely hope any proposed changes to the ESA don’t gut it as badly as some of those in the current Congress would like to do. Wolves, I think, were, in part the catalyst is noted in the article below. So, thank HSUS (especially the WGL wolf thing), Defenders and Earth Guardians for whatever negative things might be coming as Congress considers some of these bills.


    • avatar Inner Treue says:

      Many folks I know were in favor of delisting, but not in favor of hunting/trapping. The Dennis Simon email opened the doors for rancor with the rush to hunt that first season.

      “All things being equal I would prefer that we delay the season until we can establish a license, complete the population survey, and draft a population model even if we have to estimate harvest effort and success initially. I believe that this deliberate and conservative approach would be more palatable to those who are uncomfortable with a wolf season in the first place and DNR will have broader support when we do have a season.

      However, after giving it considerable thought over the weekend, I have come to the conclusion that we owe it to our primary clients, hunters and trappers, and to livestock producers as secondary clients, to do what we can to establish a legitimate harvest opportunity now that the wolf is under our management authority.”

      All about harvest opportunities, and short on the management aspect. Two tough winters following that first season and wolf numbers still down. The delist and rush to hunt is what stuck in many folks craw, and Simons email is almost Trumpesque.

      • avatar Immer Treue says:

        When did I become Inner Treue?

        • avatar Ida Lupine says:

          🙂 Ha.

          To add to what you said, haven’t the hunters/trappers and livestock producers been accommodated enough? Shouldn’t the shouldn’t the hikers and non-violent outdoor enthusiasts get something?

    • avatar Louise Kane says:

      Well I think, wm, your condescending and irrational derogatory comment placing the blame for radical congressional actions against the esa ignores the money pouring into politics from organizations like NRA, safari club, etc and completely ignores the problems created by gerrymandering, and uncapped corporate donor contributions from extremist right wing funders like the Koch brothers. I think post citizens united us citizens won’t see what the constituents really want until that kind of money is out of politics. Polls and federal register comments illustrate great support for wildlife conservation and wolves in particular. You often like to imply that conservationists are responsible for reactionary anti environmental proposals or policies but intentionally leave out other rational factors that impact political processes, the most obvious being money and corrupted process.

      • avatar aves says:

        I agree. The real force behind these efforts to weaken the ESA is the fossil fuel industry. The “critical habitat designations” get in their way. It’s more about lesser prairie chickens than gray wolves.


      • avatar WM says:


        If my comment see irrational, you may well apply your own same reasoning to the Western Governors position statements,as well. If I recall correctly there was a GAO report or some other,perhaps partisan report, that came to a similarconclusion. Sorry, but I am on my smart phone and can’t research it right now. Out at the entrance to Olympic NP.

  184. avatar Ida Lupine says:

    I don’t believe litigation has anything at all to do with those who want to get rid of the ESA. Obviously, it is an annoyance for many, but they don’t want any impediments to their activities and making money, and that is that. Always was and always will be. They are are not good stewards of the land, and anyone who implies that they are are liars. To say that it is about litigation is intimidation and bullying techniques.

    Just look at what happened with the sage grouse as one of many examples. The previous naïve administration tried to give them what they wanted by not listing many animals and plants that needed it, and yet it is still not enough, and we never get any consideration in return, ever. It’s all take. They got the gift of not listing sage grouse, and yet they still are not happy. They complain about any kind of protections whatsoever. Noone talks about the health of the grizzly, just making money off of hunting them. I’ve not heard one word otherwise.

    If Trump wants to build a wall at a wildlife refuge, I wish he’d start at the North entrance to Yellowstone at Gardiner!

    • avatar josh says:

      Ida the sage grouse are doing great. I spend tons of time chasing them around, they are more effected by moisture levels than anything else.

      • avatar Nancy says:


        “There are currently more than 1.4 million acres of cropland enrolled in the Conservation Reserve Program (CRP) in Montana. At the close of fiscal year 2017, nearly 400,000 of these contracted acres will expire, which impacts approximately 2,254 CRP contracts”


        I think I’ve mentioned my concern before, how a few local ranchers are cutting down sagebrush on their lands now to accommodate their growing herds of cattle. How much of this is taking place in other parts of the west?


      • avatar Louise Kane says:

        Your statement is not true
        Sage grouse are not doing “just fine”
        Not sure what you mean by moisture as being the primary cause of problems but sage grouse like many species sre suffering from long term population declines but the major issue seems to stem from habitat fragmentation evolving from oil and gas exploration roads, grazing and livestock and development
        Additionally raptor and other predation increases with lack of suitable cover
        As a long lived slow to reproduce species they are especially hard hit
        Without esa protection which would protect habitat their numbers are expected to decline precipitously


        I’ve pasted a study conducted by various agencies that dispute your anectodtal proof

        You don’t want to be sounding like zinke, do you

        Why are you “chasing” them around that is a most disturbing thought

        • avatar Louise Kane says:

          Please excuse typos
          Typing on cell phone not good for accurate grammar

        • avatar Nancy says:

          “Why are you “chasing” them around that is a most disturbing thought”

          Louise, that’s just another word for hunting them. A passion out here in the west. An excellent read for insight – King of the Mountain/Peter Fromm.

          • avatar Louise Kane says:

            Thanks Nancy
            I did understand he meant hunting
            Disturbing still applies
            I’ll be sure to look at your suggested reading

            • avatar josh says:

              Lol you gals are entertaining. Louise I actually have BOOTS ON THE GROUND experience with these things, especially considering I am an avid bird dogger and train/hunt on many different species of birds. We also help the Utah Fish and Game in their study of Sage Grouse populations in Utah. The numbers of sage grouse the last 5 years has grown substantially, we have literally moved HUNDREDS of birds in a day. In spots where dozens were the norm. They are in fact effected more by weather/moisture patterns than anything else, especially in the summer months. You think raptors play a significant factor in sage grouse predation… I have numerous falconer friends who chase sage grouse and say wild raptors will only go after sage grouse in very very rare scenarios. Considering a raptor is TINY compared to a sage grouse, they would much rather hunt smaller birds than try to kill a bird 4-5 times their size. In fact they have all lost numerous falcons to sage grouse, the falcon dies when it hits the sage grouse. The same reason mtn lions dont prey on moose.. the whole size factor plays a role. In fact sage grouse are not even intimidated by a falcon and will fly off 99 percent of the time. Whereas huns or sharptails will at times refuse to fly if a falcon is in the air, since they are traditionally on the menu.

              And yes we “chase” sage grouse around with our dogs for study purposes and also to train our dogs. I have not shot a sage hen in over 10 years, and I probably wont shoot another one till the day I die.

              Now chukars and huns better watch out, they are on the menu.. 🙂

            • avatar josh says:

              In fact Louise a whole bunch of horrible despicable bird doggers like myself will be donating time and energy to help study sage grouse numbers this weekend, you want to show up and help?? Or stick to comments on the internet? 🙂

              Also maybe a report that is not 13 years old may be in order also… lol

              • avatar Louise Kane says:

                If you knew me you’d think about charging me as an arm chair quarterback

                Since I do t know you
                I can only judge from your writing that you trust anecdotal information, do not see anything wrong with harrasing wildlife using dogs or falcons and do not like to provide citations to back up your opinions

                I’m not impressed by your methods of appreciation of wildlife, or your claims to help study them while training your dogs

                Chasing around sage grouse with bird dogs most would call that harassment and the esa defines it as such

                • avatar josh says:

                  The article you submitted in your response to me is the organization that asks us to come help them. Those biologists seem to think we are a great benefit to their studies.. Take it up with them..lol 🙂 Also models and studies can be manipulated to back up whoever is funding the study. Hence all the contradicting “studies” on wolves etc. I know I see a lot more birds on wet years than I do on dry years. I know the bird counts that the biologists ask us to do have resulted in higher and higher bird numbers each year. Is that anecdotal?

                  Oh I have read your responses for years, and have no fears labeling you as an armchair quarterback.

                  Sage grouse are not on the ESA, so that is a complete moot point. Shall I find an article from 20 years ago to post?

                  Also they are not “harassing” sage grouse with falcons, they are trying to kill them with falcons. And they succeed at times with them. Thanks for trying to educate me on the predatory dilemmas that DO NOT face sage grouse, since wild falcons do not target sage grouse as prey except in very very very rare cases. One of those things you learn spending time outside versus on the internet.

              • avatar Louise Kane says:

                I know the bird counts they asked us to do are … is that anectodtal
                Start a sentence when I know
                I think
                I’ve seen
                Look it up

                • avatar Josh says:

                  So a scientific study, conducted by a masters degree dude, in conjunction with a University is “anecdotal”…. Just because you don’t like my dogs pointing sage grouse so I can count em.. lol

  185. avatar Gary Humbard says:

    I doubt there is insufficient research to date to indicate whether removing a few wolves will change livestock depredation pack behavior. I think this is simply abiding by the recently adopted policy of removing wolves. Hopefully only a few will need to be removed, but the big question is how do they know which ones are the leading offenders?


    • avatar Louise Kane says:

      I wonder how humans would fare if we applied that same rationale to our criminal
      Justice system. Imagine deterrence promoted in this scenario, Punishment to be exacted on Family members of a criminal who have no knowledge of the crime where the criminal also would have no knowledge of the potential for familial retribution. Logical? Think not
      Even when studies have illustrated that conflicts may increase with hunting these idiotic costly snd heartbreaking “compromises” persist. Six depredations over three years if I remember correctly, snd if that is incorrect, please correct me, and the state will spend tens of thousands to shoot wolves from helicopters guaranteeing nothing much but public rancor, misery, and placating two recidivist whining ranchers. Why not just give the ranchers the money perhaps that would appease their sense of injustice on the attacks of the cattle they intend to slaughter eventually

  186. avatar Gary Humbard says:

    Detailed information on the Smackout Pack in Northeast Washington. Makes sense to me to remove a few to save the many.


  187. avatar Ida Lupine says:

    Can we trust their word? I don’t think so. How many times must we hear this stuff? This is just the latest, creative spin on how to kill wolves that ranchers don’t want on the landscape, IMO, in a way that they think will satisfy public opinion. This won’t be the last of it.

    What do you all think of an unconfirmed wolf kill counting against a wolf pack?

    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      Here’s the scenario I see – this pre-emptive strike won’t stop depredation, because I don’t think it will change behavior of wolves or ranchers. The ranchers do not want it stopped. So, even if the wolves don’t take any livestock, the rancher will bait them or run them near a den site like one did last year, et voila! F&W will go out again to kill for their masters.

      There’s no killing a few to save the many. It’s an experiment with the lives of wildlife.

  188. avatar Ida Lupine says:

    That there even needs to be a law against this kind of hunter behavior is appalling to me, but if the Interior decides to uphold this law, it certainly would go a long way to regain trust:


  189. avatar Kathleen says:

    For anyone interested in public land law…the 2017 Idaho Law Review Symposium hard copy recently came out:
    “Livestock Grazing on Public Lands: Law, Policy & Rebellion”

    Articles include wild horses vs. livestock, grazing in Wilderness, sage grouse land use planning, ID wool growers, etc.

    All the articles can be accessed here: https://www.uidaho.edu/law/law-review/symposium/livestock-grazing-on-public-lands

  190. avatar Kathleen says:

    “Trump administration seeks to sidestep border wall environmental study: sources”

    NEW YORK (Reuters) – “The U.S. Customs and Border Patrol plans to use a 2005 anti-terror law to sidestep an environmental impact study for a section of President Donald Trump’s border wall that will pass through a Texas national refuge for endangered ocelots, according to two government sources familiar with the matter.”


    • avatar Louise Kane says:

      Why should the lawless thugs bother to use a legal sidestep

      They do whatever they want regardless
      Nothing is more that smoke and mirrors for the trump thugs

  191. avatar rork says:

    Not very well referenced, but interesting Alaska article about what amounts to the difference between maximum sustainable yield and maximum yield of ungulates on the landscape.

  192. avatar Kathleen says:

    “Fortymile Herd at crossroads: Key Interior caribou herd numerous again. Does wolf control deserve any credit?”

    Excerpt: “Since 2005, state employees and private residents aboard airplanes or helicopters have killed more than 650 wolves on state lands east of Fairbanks with the goal of boosting the Fortymile Caribou Herd. It’s part of a state mandate codified in the 1994 Intensive Management Law to increase caribou and moose populations people rely on for food.

    “Not enough evidence exists to show 14 years of wolf control has helped the Fortymile Herd, said Darren Bruning, who helps manage the Fortymile Herd as regional supervisor for the Alaska Department of Fish and Game’s Divison of Wildlife Conservation.”

    Also: “A group of five state Fish and Game biologists raised doubts about the effectiveness Fortymile wolf control in a scientific article published January in The Journal of Wildlife Management.”

    Science, schmience. We don’t need no stinkin’ science!


    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      650 wolves? What a shameful statistic.

      They are supposed to halt the killings after one more season, in 2018 – and then an observation period. 50,000 caribou sounds like a very healthy herd even by greedy human standards. But, some believe political pressure will not allow the killing of wolves to be stopped. We shall see.

      Good article!

    • avatar Nancy says:

      I wanted to laugh AND cry, when I watched this video, Kathleen.

      Laugh because someone actually thinks (and no doubt will make a profit from) this “vest” that some consumers will buy and hope will protect their dog, while day hiking in their local park, etc. fearing an attack from a predator.

      Cry because predators (like coyotes) are taking up the slack, of a lack of wild areas left in parts of this country and re-adjusting to dining on “pets” whose owners haven’t a clue about how safe their pets really are, even in their own backyards.

      • avatar Kathleen says:

        Yeah, I know. I was like, “Is this really a *thing*? At first I thought it might be a farce (a la The Onion) but upon further examination determined it was for real. I don’t know if it will make some dog guardians feel more secure, or if it could possibly give them a few extra moments to react…but if I were a dog, I might rather take my chances with the coyotes than wear that thing.

    • avatar Louise Kane says:

      Trophy hunting is a vile disruptive sickness

      • avatar Ida Lupine says:

        A terrible practice at best, the world’s wildlife populations can no longer support it due to the overhunting of the past. Climate change, loss of habitat, it’s an onslaught for them. It’ a holdover from exploitative white colonialism (the majority are rich Western men, and increasingly, American), and it creates a dependency on the income, when better, non-violent alternatives need to be adopted in a changed world.

        Xanda, the most recent example, is a male lion in his prime and now will no longer be able to reproduce because of some greedy human, regardless of whether he is related to Cecil or not! It’s looking for a rationale to justify this behavior, when the biologists know full well. The description of dead animal heads and other body parts ‘curing’ is macabre.

        Nothing is more selfish than trophy hunting; and many are not content with one, but have entire roomsful of dead animals, and encouraged to puruse a ‘list’ to pursue from hunting clubs such as SCI. Elephants, rhinos, lions, and others are going to go extinct.

        • avatar Josh says:

          If you think “trophy hunting” will be the reason these animals go extinct you are WAY OFF the mark. Poaching and habitat loss will lead the way be a large margin in the path to extinction. And the governments of corrupt third world countries will do little to stop it. I know you are reaching to assign blame to hunting, but keep on reaching.

  193. avatar Mareks Vilkins says:

    Currently,approximately 12 000 wolves occupy over 800 000 km2 in 28 European countries, with 9 900 individuals present in 22 countries belonging to the European Union

    … covering all 19 European countries for which wolf genetic information is available: Norway, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Germany, Belarus, Russia, Italy, Croatia, Bulgaria, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Greece, Spain and Portugal.

    The range of spatial autocorrelation calculated on the basis of three characteristics of genetic diversity was 650−850 km, suggesting that the genetic diversity of a given wolf population can be influenced by populations up to 850 km away


  194. avatar Kathleen says:

    Predator persecution most vile. BTW, be forewarned–I found the video very distressing.


    To add insult to this terrible injury, The Florida Fish & Wildlife Conservation Commission said in a statement it “cannot yet determine whether any violations took place in the video” (although they *are* investigating).


    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      Animal cruelty isn’t a crime in itself, surely it’s a misdemeanor? Of course it is:


    • avatar Louise Kane says:

      When Jon way and I drafted the carnivore conservation act we tied the state animal cruelty statute to tbe treatment of wild animals

      Even if these monsters are not persecuted for the shark I find it hard to believe that the pelican abuse does not violate esa law

      I think white pelicans may be endangered but I could have that backward

      I called the fish and wildlife conservation division to comment and to inquire if they had been prosecuted, I was told not yet but they are investigating

      How messed up do you have to be to do that?

  195. avatar Gary Humbard says:

    While not 100% effective in preventing a bear attack, research indicates that if used correctly ~90% of close encounters with grizzlies result in no harm to the humans and minimal to bears. I have it on my belt whenever and where ever I go hiking.


  196. avatar louise kane says:

    and meanwhile as the Trump circus and star clown clog up the news with their crazy, corrupted human policy actions, the mean underhanded really tragic bills are being passed through committee


    you might remember this as the sportsman heritage act
    bi partisan sportsman act etc
    repeatedly stifled until now

    are these anti wildlife anti environmental actions to be the sacrificial lamb in exchange for gems holding the line on healthcare and social justice issues? I think so

  197. avatar louise kane says:

    for Democrats holding the line….

  198. avatar louise kane says:

    Hi all,
    I would encourage folks to contact their senators and the senate committee on environment and public works. The HELP bill, formerly known as bi partisan sportsman heritage act, has just moved out of committee and will be voted on. I spoke to a policy analyst today and the democrats introduced two provisions/amendments that were rejected specifically they tried to remove the delisting of the grey wolf and the import of polar bear trophies.

    Now is the time to make a stink about this wretched bill. The only reasonable part of the bill is the reauthorization to clean up Chesapeake Bay, and that should be introduced as a stand alone bill.

    the remainder of the bill is the usual safari club NRA trash being jammed down our throats, more trapping on public lands, no regulation of lead ammunition, and delisting without judicial review.

    For anyone needing talking points below is the link to a digital report. While this was written to prevent a 2015 congressional attempt to delist wolves, it applies today.


    To provide a written comment. This is the link to the GOP (majority) page on senate environment and public works committee. Be forewarned before you start writing the limit is 500 characters.


    This is the telephone #

    410 Dirksen Senate Office Building
    Washington, D.C. 20510

    Phone Number: 202-224-6176

    456 Dirksen Senate Office Building
    Washington, D.C. 20510

    Phone Number: 202-224-8832

    I spoke to a helpful policy assistant named Avery in the minority. This is her e mail avery_mulligan@epw.senate.gov

    This page lists all your senator’s contact info

    Good luck and thank you for those writing or calling against this terrible legislation

  199. avatar Kathleen says:

    The shark-dragging perp has been IDed and he’s a repeat offender.


    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      Locals have referred to him as a ‘real nutcase’.

      But, most ‘nutcases’ usually end up being caught. Now, let’s hope he receives a figurative trawling by the Interwebs, and is hoisted with his own petard.

    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      Here’s what the interwebs have dredges, so far. They appear to have prominent parents (this is when I am thankful I didn’t bring any miscreants into the world), but this isn’t the first time at least one of them has been abusing wildlife, and from the looks of it, a poor unfortunate dog who crossed their path:


      • avatar Ida Lupine says:

        My apologies, if the moderators would prefer to delete this post – it has more information than we need to know.

        The sad part is that at least one of them has had several prior violations of abusing wildlife, including the taking endangered fish, and yet F&W closed the case without charges. Nice to have prominent parents, I guess.

        So I don’t expect much to be done about this either, sadly.

      • avatar Kathleen says:

        “(this is when I am thankful I didn’t bring any miscreants into the world)”

        HA! Me too!

  200. avatar Phil Maker says:

    Heard that IDFG is proposing bounties on depredating wolf packs. Anybody else got more information on this?

  201. avatar Ida Lupine says:

    “Morris explained wolf-related livestock depredations are at an all-time low, but in recent years, the state, ranchers and sportsmen have had to offer financial assistance to offset federal funding cuts to USDA Wildlife Services, which is authorized to kill problem wolves.”

    I can’t figure out that logic. And was anyone aware that there were Federal funding cuts to Wildlife “Services”? I think that comment periods are just perfunctory and only done because it is required by by law, and that Idaho will do whatever it wants to, now that wolves and possibly grizzlies have been left to the whims of these states.


  202. avatar Louise Kane says:


    New article on how us bypassed most anti cruelty methods usually employed in trapping

    Bizarre to think any methods employed lessen trapping cruelty as it is inherently cruel but a good work regardless

  203. avatar Ida Lupine says:

    Why lessen the sadism that they enjoy so much, we exceptional Americans.

    There’s another video that has surfaced of those Florida bad boys torturing a Hammerhead shark too. One of them has (or had) an online nickname, which I knew I had heard from somewhere. Turns out it was from the film ‘Inglorious Basterds’, for a baseball bat-wielding killer. Just wow.

    These ‘men’ are not underage teenagers needing protection – apparently even the shark fishing derby group was appalled, and released the names, or maybe another sportsfishing group. They don’t seem to know that there is anything wrong with what they did.

    • avatar Gary Humbard says:

      Look at the photo and tell me this is good grazing land for livestock! I firmly believe THE biggest issue for livestock and predator conflicts on federal land is due to the Forest Service continuing to issue grazing permits in areas that are NOT appropriate for that use. Bureau of Land Management land is typically non or lightly forested which has its own issues but few wolves and bears lose their lives on them. As wolves and bears continue to recolonize, the FS needs to be held accountable for failing to manage the habitat appropriately.

      I have seen first hand numerous areas in the west that are grazed within heavily forested areas (that also contain live streams trampled by livestock) and instead of expiring them, they just keep up the good old boy policy. I have voiced my concerns to the local FS District Rangers (top dogs) in letters and phone calls and actually received some encouraging future actions on a few.

  204. avatar Kathleen says:

    Good news from Buffalo Field Campaign:

    “Recently, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals delivered a victory for Anthony Reed, a BFC volunteer who was cited and arrested by a Gallatin County Sheriff’s Deputy during a buffalo hazing operation along the Madison River and Highway 191. (You can read the ruling here: Reed v. Lieurance et al., opinion (9th Cir. 2017, PDF).

    “The unanimous Appeals Court ruling clears the way for Reed’s case to proceed against the Gallatin County Sheriff’s Office…for violating Reed’s First and Fourth Amendment rights and related Montana constitutional rights, and for failing to train officers on Montana’s obstruction statute.”

    Full text is here: http://buffalofieldcampaign.org/bfc-news/standing-your-ground-defending-your-rights-lessons-from-the-field-with-the-buffalo

    • avatar JEFF E says:

      good news; however this is just another example in the trend of “law Enforcement”; to wit police know that they get free unlimited legal representation; funded by tax payers for their actions and that up to and until undeniable, usually video, evidence there will be little if any repercussions for any action that is taken.

      It isn’t, sadly, that the deciding moral question is if a law enforcement officer broke the law but rather can it be “PROVEN” that a law(s) were broken.

      • avatar MAD says:

        Unfortunately, your dislike, which seems to border or hatred toward law enforcement blinds you to the fact that your statements are patently false.

        Each law enforcement agency performs an audit of whether the Officer(s) have followed official police policy and/or procedure. If the Officer(s) have not, then the governmental agency can deny indemnity and refuse to pay for legal representation of the Officer(s). This is fairly common, despite your assertions.

        Also, in the alternative when the Officer(s) have acted properly and according to policy/procedure, it is proper and lawful that agency that employs them provide legal representation. That’s how our system of government and due process works in relation to people who are public servants – and it is a well-settled issue of law.

  205. avatar Ida Lupine says:

    “Gov. Rick Scott sent a letter to the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission Friday saying he wants to make sure the state’s fishing regulations and statutes strictly prohibited “such inhumane acts.””


    Florida Governor Disturbed by Video of Shark Dragging

  206. avatar Kathleen says:

    Rob Bishop (R-UT), chairman of the House Committee on Natural Resources, “schools” us on the difference between nat’l parks and nat’l monuments and why the Antiquities Act should be overhauled. Check out the simplistic video.


  207. avatar Ida Lupine says:

    An opinion piece, and a good one, about the shark dragging episode in Miami. Also, I’ve seen actual photos of a bull shark kept as a pet in Wenzel’s swimming pool. And the parents allowed it. Nothing like keeping your kid a perpetual child, and it shows. Further down in the article, it mentions some other guys kidnapping endangered Key deer, tying them up and throwing them in the trunk of their car!

    F&W sure has their work cut out for them in FL.

    I’d forgotten how much I love Miami though – the turquoise color of the ocean, the cultural influences, the Art Deco architecture. It’s a shame to have a tarnish (or the wrong kind) and I am glad the governor is stepping in.


    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      It also mentions, and it would be wrong of me not to also, the case of the poor drowning man that kids video’d and did nothing to help. Heartbreaking, what is wrong with people today?

    • avatar Yvette says:

      Thanks for sharing that one, Ida. Wenzel has a history of abusing (torturing) wildlife. He once kept a shark in his swimming pool and his parents allowed it? Do you think he was trying to save it?

      How do we get adults who perpetrate such vile actions on animals, and likely, humans too? We can’t blame socioeconimcs entirely. This guy had a swimming pool so he obviously wasn’t growing up in a ghetto. How do these people become adults who enjoy torture? Who breeds them and who raises them to be like this?

      • avatar Ida Lupine says:

        IDK. Now he’s been advised by legal counsel, no doubt, to say ‘he’s sorry’. If it had been a one-time thing and they were kids, maybe. But this guy has quite a bad history of animal torture, no sorry won’t do. Community service picking up trash on the beach might humble him.

        It’s sad that his parents allow it, but the governor stepping in might be enough to embarrass them about their ‘just an excitable boy’.

        But I will say, I am absolutely thrilled that members of the sportsfishing community stepped up and turned these guys in, and released their names, so that these guys don’t represent them. I felt good about that, and I do hope laws are changed to protect wildlife from unnecessary suffering and torture.

        • avatar Ida Lupine says:

          I had read quickly that one of them has a mother who is a public official for Manatee County – and when I saw the word ‘manatee’ I thought to myself ‘don’t let these guys anywhere near manatees!’

  208. avatar Gary Humbard says:

    I believe the single greatest barbaric practice that needs to be put in the American dumpster is trapping!


  209. avatar Kathleen says:

    Montana continues to execute–not “euthanize”–bears, this time a 570-pound male griz who had killed unprotected ‘livestock’ animals. “I hate it when I have to destroy a bear over a chicken worth a dollar or even $20,” said one management official. (So it comes down to what a sentient nonhuman is worth financially!) Apparently it’s asking too much to *require* owners of farmed animals to protect their investment by installing bear-proof electric fencing (cost-sharing assistance is even available!) and fine them when they don’t.


    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      It’s looking more and more like a hunting season is not needed – as there are ‘remedies’ already in place.

      How many bears have been killed already (perfectly healthy animals removed from genetics) it stands now? And some want to push the envelope even further, only for human interests, with no other value whatsoever.

  210. avatar Louise Kane says:


    Excellent piece by Marc bekoff and introduces new predator defense film
    Please share widely

    • avatar Ida Lupine says:

      And to think that the state of WA has approximately only 115 wolves? It’s disturbing also to know that the criteria has been changed to include ‘one’ non-confirmed wolf kill of a cow or calf. How can that and why should it count?


March 2017


‎"At some point we must draw a line across the ground of our home and our being, drive a spear into the land and say to the bulldozers, earthmovers, government and corporations, “thus far and no further.” If we do not, we shall later feel, instead of pride, the regret of Thoreau, that good but overly-bookish man, who wrote, near the end of his life, “If I repent of anything it is likely to be my good behaviour."

~ Edward Abbey

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